I'm bored when the only productive or constructive thing I have left on my list to get done reeks of drudgery *and* there is no deadline. In otherwords, I should do this drudgery thing (clean out the garage) but yuck, if it doesn't get done for a few days, who cares?
Then I goof around doing things I like to do, but I have no joy in it because the drudgery is hanging over my head. And not just the drudge-task, but the guilt over not doing it. All the pleasure slowly leaches out of goofing off and I think gah I'm bored; but
Thanks people, some interesting stuff here.
WARNING: This response is going to be long, and, potentially, BORING.
Originally Posted by Wade Wilson
I'm bored no matter what I'm doing, which in turn leads to frustration and paranoia (because I end up focusing on things that don't really exist until I'm convinced that they do). After awhile I can't contain it anymore and start dragging other people into my delusions which pisses them off and all sorts of conflicts arise.
Yes. I've been in that negative feedback loop. It's dangerous and can get horrific pretty quick.
How do you get out of it, or do you just have to wait for it to pass?
Originally Posted by Jeffster
How bored do you have to be to write an essay on being bored?
Pretty bloody bored!
(Psst...He's a psychoanalyst - he does boredom for a living).
Originally Posted by Victor
Being bored is a form of self hatred.
No it isn't.
Have you heard of projection, Victor? It's another psychoanalytic term. Look it up.
Originally Posted by INTJMom
I've been thinking about this recently because of my thread on multi-tasking. Many people said they get bored concentrating on one thing and need to switch a lot. I believe most of those people were P types.
Pondering that even more, I can't really remember using the word bored to describe myself since I was a kid stuck at home on summer vacation. I don't lead an exciting life, but I don't ever feel bored either. I guess I am easily entertained. I just find something to do. All I have to do is sit down at the computer and whatever I want to know is at my fingertips.
Yes, the essay is mostly about the utility of boredom in child development.
The author argues that children need to be bored, in order to figure out what it is that they truly like and dislike. I remember mind-crushing boredom as a child...
...that state of suspended anticipation in which things are started and nothing begins, the mood of diffuse restlessness which contains that most absurd and paradoxical wish, the wish for a desire.
I sometimes think that kids today (in the West, at least) have a much richer life - they are constantly entertained by one thing or another - and yet, Phillips argues that
In the muffled, sometime irritable confusion of boredom the child is reaching to a recurrent sense of emptiness out of which his real desire can crystallize. But to begin with, of course, the child needs the adult .... to recognize it as such, rather than to sabotage it by distraction. The child's boredom starts as a regular crisis in the child's developing capacity to be alone in the presence of the mother. In other words, the capacity to be bored can be a developmental achievement for the child....It is one of the most oppressive demands of adults that the child should be interested, rather than take times to find what interests him. Boredom is integral to the process of taking one's time.
He also talks about a boy who, when asked if he was ever lonely, said that he was "too bored to be lonely". Which I thought was interesting, given our discussion in the loneliness thread.
In boredom there is the lure of a possible object of desire, and the lure of the escape from desire, of its meaninglessness.
Boredom, I think, protects the individual, makes tolerable for him the impossible experience of waiting for something without knowing what it could be. The paradox of the waiting that goes on in boredom is that the individual does not know what he was waiting for until he finds it, and that often he does not know that he is waiting. One could, in this sense, speak of the 'analytic attitude' as an attentive boredom.....The more common risk of the adult - less attended to, more set in his ways, then the child - is that boredom will turn into waiting. For the adult, it seems, boredom needs to be the more permanent suspended animation of desire. Adulthood, one could say, is when it begins to occur to you that you may not be leading a charmed life.
Originally Posted by Kyrielle
Normally boredom passes on its own, but if it doesn't, it ends up leading to further lethargy and eventually depression. I can generally overcome a bit of it by finding a book I've enjoyed, going outside, and reading in the sun or exploring. For some reason being in the sunlight for a few hours every other day for a few weeks helps me feel properly balanced. I do not know why this is. (I suppose then, boredom usually comes in the weeks where I am at home with no work to do and because of this, I tend to stay inside more, which only exacerbates the problem.)
I agree with your first question here. I do think it's a sign of destructive patterns, though I think boredom is related more to destructive intellectual patterns whereas depression is related more to destructive emotional patterns (and it is possible to be both bored and depressed, I think the two can feed off each other).
As for the second question, I don't think so. I don't think it's any kind of driving force that helps you, but it is an indicator that something is wrong and measures should be taken to resolve the issue.
Originally Posted by Victor
What I do find boring is the acceptance of assumptions thread after thread after thread.
Most threads are started with a question - and it is usually a leading question. It is a question that is stuffed full of assumptions. And the assumptions are deliberate and they are meant to manipulate.
But the killer assumption is that it is not polite to question the assumptions. And it is polite to take them at face value.
This is a brilliant maneuver as who wants to be rude - it is simply unacceptable.
This is called social control.
And it works.
Yeah. Hidden assumptions suck.
As do not-so hidden presumptions.
As well as hidden agendas, and . . .
Originally Posted by erinavery
victor...i can appreciate the perspective but i'm beginning to think it just works differently for an extrovert. For me specifically it has to do with that...if a tree falls in the forest scenario....what point is beauty and love if not to be shared...is it enough just to be....someone that lives their life focused on sharing those things WITH someone may bore easily alone..out of want to share not self hatred...i most certainly DO NOT hate myself...nor have i ever entertained such an idea.
The external vs. internal focus is also interesting.
Originally Posted by Nocapszy
Victor is correct.
Vanity is the most hardened of all enemies of science and advancement.
And the non-vain don't fraternize with the vain. They let them be wrong.
Originally Posted by Nocapszy
I only don't accept the rose because I am at work in a florist at the moment and am sick to the gills of them.
Perhaps some legos would alleviate me of my boredom.
Like I said - no flirting in my thread!
Originally Posted by FDG
I'm hardly ever bored. There are so many things I could do, learn, etc etc that if a day was of 48 hours, I'd be even less bored.
Js pwn Ps at this game.
Originally Posted by Ivy
Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.
Lately I've been feeling like life is a grand struggle against boredom. For me, I'd say I get bored due to frustration with reality. As a kid, I was hyper and always had ideas and plans to entertain myself with, but as I've gotten older, I've realized that most of these ideas and plans will never come to fruition. I'm fighting this sense of futility that leads to boredom with everything. I thrive on the feeling that what I'm doing is part of some larger future goal, and when those goals feel uncertain, I get discouraged and bored pretty easily. That really sounds like a sort of depression, but I'm rarely sad, just lost.
I can say that the boredom I've been experiencing lately is absolutely connected to questioning the pattern and progress of my life to date. I feel right now that I'm searching for some realistic larger goal or path to latch on to, and until I do, I find it hard to commit to things, which leads to boredom. To fight it I try to stay busy - do things that get me out of my comfort zone and make me consider new ideas or possibilities. I hope that if I find something new in this period of uncertaintly - if I try to widen my perspective - I'll be inspired again. It can be laborious though.
Edit: I also try to keep a sense of humor about everything, to make it more bearable.
I am rarely ever bored. I can always find something productive to do. Though I say "Dr. So-and-so's class is boring", I think that I really mean "dull". I am always irritated by people who lie around moaning "I'm borrreeeddddd". Get a hobby. It works, I promise. Not all pleasures and entertainment in life come from immediate gratification.
I had a teacher give an elaborate lecture about how boredom was a new phenomena. I forget all the argument though, but it was interesting nonetheless.
Don't you get bored when you have things to do? I am least bored when I have nothing to do, because I can do what I like. Boring things bore me.
This is exactly about what I was talking about.
What a smart J will do is planning, so that he/she ends up in a situation where doing things = doing things you want to do. Everything else is just a obstacle that serves as planning and coordiantion training.
Also I have steel nerves and that helps me a lot in life.
For example I can wake up in 2:00 AM and study for the rest of a night and I can do it without problem since situation requires that.
What I want to say is that I work toward goals and beign bored simply is not a part of that movie.