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    There's no magic in Herbalife shakes. You don't need to buy anything to lose weight. The only way to lose weight is to take in fewer calories than you expend, on average, over time. You could eat too many Herbalife shakes and end up gaining weight. On the flip side, if you cut your calories too far you run the risk of rebounding- that's how I gained so much weight in the first place was going on crash diets where I wasn't eating enough, and then my body would rebel and I'd binge. As you said earlier we all have responsibility for how we got into whatever situation we're in, and that's how I got into the situation I'm in. The way I'm taking responsibility and fixing it now is by not abusing my body with crash diets, and instead eating at a very small deficit instead of trying to lose weight fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Well that's what it's called. You drink this drink that has all the vitamins, minerals and nutrition of a meal, but it's supposed to help you lose weight.
    But an hour later my stomach is growling to high heaven.
    That's because those shakes definitely do not have all the adequate nutrition a body needs to thrive. If it did, Herbal life would be making BANK money off of third-word-assistance funds and be a huge part of ending world hunger. Those advertisements are really a bit hokey.. I mean, if you don't eat anything in the morning or something, a protein shake or something like that might be better than starving yourself and binge eating on lunch... but those shakes wouldn't replace a meal at all in their own right. It'd really be better to eat the breakfast... but lacking that, a shake is better than starving one's self. But they lack the calories, satiety, and actual nutrients to do what they claim to do. Thats why they typically tell you to eat normal food along side it.. You're basically skipping eating and drinking something to fill your stomach in the meanwhile. :/ Its just expensive milky water with some protein in it. Im all for protein shakes, actually, but they shouldnt replace a meal..

    Adding that to a small meal to boost calories? Or to make as a snack? Sure, definitely, and it won't really hurt you at all. But for a real actual meal replacement....



    ... nothing replaces a meal. :| I also wish it'd work like that though.

    Not to knock your routine.. I mean, it just sounds like it isn't really working the way you'd hoped, being hungry just 1 hour later..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    There's no magic in Herbalife shakes. You don't need to buy anything to lose weight. The only way to lose weight is to take in fewer calories than you expend, on average, over time. You could eat too many Herbalife shakes and end up gaining weight. On the flip side, if you cut your calories too far you run the risk of rebounding- that's how I gained so much weight in the first place was going on crash diets where I wasn't eating enough, and then my body would rebel and I'd binge. As you said earlier we all have responsibility for how we got into whatever situation we're in, and that's how I got into the situation I'm in. The way I'm taking responsibility and fixing it now is by not abusing my body with crash diets, and instead eating at a very small deficit instead of trying to lose weight fast.
    Oh, yes, good advice! Something else to consider is have your last meal of the day no less than 3-hours before bedtime. You may have already heard varying opinions about this, but if you've reached a plateau in your weight loss, it's worth trying. I have done it for years to maintain and it works out well for me.

    The key to curbing the appetite and losing weight is to get moving! Instead of hiring people, do the yardwork, housework, and walk the cart back to the store after shopping. Look for opportunities to burn calories.

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    It may also be that you don't need to lose weight. Maybe try loving yourself/your body exactly as it is now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    It may also be that you don't need to lose weight. Maybe try loving yourself/your body exactly as it is now?
    :/ I struggle with this mentality.. I definitely feel like people should love themselves for who they are, and as they are.. but I also believe that science doesn't lie, and obesity causes health problems as a bottom line. If you aren't obese, but lack any muscle definition or physical activity, you're also at risk. Skinny people get diabetes as well because there is such a thing as 'skinny fat' ... where over 50% of your body is pure fat, but you're not tipping any scales. I see it in the Asian community a lot when I was volunteering for BMI measurements and other health things. How do you tell someone skinny that they're fat without shaming them? Everyone needs to strive for improved health, to me.

    There is an element of being comfortable in one's own skin, and a lot of love to be had in where someone is now-a-days. I don't think you can improve yourself without opening your heart to love yourself. But, if you're 20, 30, 100 lbs over weight... Saying, 'This is what I'm meant to be' sounds an awful lot like giving up on yourself to me. Society should NOT dictate how your body should look. But science should. And science has a lot to say that gives a LOT of wiggle room for all body types and sizes.

    I know for me, I want to gain more weight. I look almost sick at 124 lbs right now. (I cringed just writing that.) I lack muscle, I lack activity, and I GAIN weight when I work out. I miss that, and I crave it. Of course I'm more comfortable in my skin at this weight than I was in any year previous when I had dropped. But it was far, far, far easier for me to love my overweight self (at 155 I think.. or 169?..I dunno..) than it is to love my underweight self. And society tells me I'd have more to lose, but science tells me no way, gain that weight girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    :/ I struggle with this mentality.. I definitely feel like people should love themselves for who they are, and as they are.. but I also believe that science doesn't lie, and obesity causes health problems as a bottom line. If you aren't obese, but lack any muscle definition or physical activity, you're also at risk. Skinny people get diabetes as well because there is such a thing as 'skinny fat' ... where over 50% of your body is pure fat, but you're not tipping any scales. I see it in the Asian community a lot when I was volunteering for BMI measurements and other health things. How do you tell someone skinny that they're fat without shaming them? Everyone needs to strive for improved health, to me.

    There is an element of being comfortable in one's own skin, and a lot of love to be had in where someone is now-a-days. I don't think you can improve yourself without opening your heart to love yourself. But, if you're 20, 30, 100 lbs over weight... Saying, 'This is what I'm meant to be' sounds an awful lot like giving up on yourself to me. Society should NOT dictate how your body should look. But science should. And science has a lot to say that gives a LOT of wiggle room for all body types and sizes.

    I know for me, I want to gain more weight. I look almost sick at 124 lbs right now. (I cringed just writing that.) I lack muscle, I lack activity, and I GAIN weight when I work out. I miss that, and I crave it. Of course I'm more comfortable in my skin at this weight than I was in any year previous when I had dropped. But it was far, far, far easier for me to love my overweight self (at 155 I think.. or 169?..I dunno..) than it is to love my underweight self. And society tells me I'd have more to lose, but science tells me no way, gain that weight girl.
    Sure, everyone should take care of themselves physically and gain or lose weight if they are not in a healthy range (which is what I'm doing by dropping the lbs) but I don't think INTJMom is obese, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Sure, everyone should take care of themselves physically and gain or lose weight if they are not in a healthy range (which is what I'm doing by dropping the lbs) but I don't think INTJMom is obese, though.
    I'm sure I don't know.. I don't remember her being obese anyways..
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    Well, that's all I mean. I think a lot of people who are a normal, healthy weight have a specific number in mind that may or may not make sense for them, or they hate their (normal) body and want to change it. And while I do think people of all shapes and sizes should love themselves and their bodies just as they are, that doesn't preclude making necessary changes for health or mobility. As you say, it was only when I started to love myself and accept my body exactly as it was that I had the strength to make those necessary changes. I'm not making them out of desperation or body hate anymore- just the scientific fact that my health risks will be lower at a lower weight.

    A lot of people who are trying to lose weight might feel better about themselves if they try body recomposition instead. https://gokaleo.com/2012/09/19/body-...problem-areas/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    It may also be that you don't need to lose weight. Maybe try loving yourself/your body exactly as it is now?
    If someone had the will, but couldn't find a way, what advice would you give them to overcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    :/ I struggle with this mentality[...]

    There is an element of being comfortable in one's own skin, and a lot of love to be had in where someone is now-a-days[...]

    I know for me, I want to gain more weight. I look almost sick at 124 lbs right now. (I cringed just writing that.) I lack muscle, I lack activity, and I GAIN weight when I work out. I miss that, and I crave it. Of course I'm more comfortable in my skin at this weight than I was in any year previous when I had dropped. [
    I struggle with it too. For a long time, I purposely didn't eat enough or fasted to stay under my ideal weight because I had irrational fears of getting fat like my mom and a couple of my sisters. I still have those fears. It's bad enough I worry about their health. For one thing, my mom and sisters don't have the stamina to do a lot of activities and it frustrates the heck out of me; especially, when I want a team effort to do something. I never ever want to be like that! I never ever want to become a burden to people!

    As I grow older, I become wiser about what's a healthy weight for me. I'm healthy skinny now; meaning, I'm not under weight anymore; I'm at the lower end of the ideal weight range for my height.

    But it was far, far, far easier for me to love my overweight self (at 155 I think.. or 169?..I dunno..) than it is to love my underweight self. And society tells me I'd have more to lose, but science tells me no way, gain that weight girl.
    I don't think I could ever love myself fat. I'm curious, in what ways did being heavier make it easier to love yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinny-Love View Post
    If someone had the will, but couldn't find a way, what advice would you give them to overcome?
    The will to love themselves as-is, you mean?

    I think I would start by purposefully thinking of one nice thing about the appearance of each complete stranger I pass in everyday life. It can be easier to generate that goodwill for others first, and then it sort of leaks into our self-concept. Even so, it's not that easy. We've gotten to a place where body-snark and picking at other human beings is commonplace and the norm. And we do it to ourselves worst of all.

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