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    Definitely extremely unlikely. If that person was an actual ENTJ, chances are they're probably an integrated E8 with a strong relationship with their 2 point. If that person was an actual 2, they're probably just an ENFJ with a more blunt delivery.

    But I don't like to really rule anything out of the realm of possibility when it comes to type.

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    Yeah this is quite a rare combination because the nature of the two types are pretty diametrically opposed. Yet, it is possible for it to work together. As already described, it's just seen from a different perspective. The core ideas of the enneagram type is there, and the ends of what is desired is functional. It's just gone about in a slightly different manner than usual.

    It's about as rare as an ESFP 1w9 I'd say. Makes no sense on paper, but human beings (all 7 billion of us) are certainly complex enough that this will exist.
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    Sure, I guess ESFPs can be 5s and ESTJs can be 4s and INFPs can be 8s, why not?
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    Julius Caesar and Napoleon were likely ENTJs and, according to Naranjo, both Social 2s. I'm not sure I agree with him, but it's important to remember that the theme of Social 2 is Ambition and that they can look a lot like 3s. hence, an So dom ENTJ 2 doesn't seem like it would be too unusual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    Definitely extremely unlikely. If that person was an actual ENTJ, chances are they're probably an integrated E8 with a strong relationship with their 2 point. If that person was an actual 2, they're probably just an ENFJ with a more blunt delivery.
    But I don't like to really rule anything out of the realm of possibility when it comes to type.
    integrated 8s are usually easy to tell apart from true 2s (they lack the emotionality and social dependency of a 2 as well as lacking a focus on image)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthroPolyBee View Post
    I'm an MBTI ENTJ & Enneagram 2 with a 1 wing but also with a strong rating on the type 4 as well usually same points wise with my 1 wing but never more than the 2 though, ALWAYS the 2 is the highest. My motto even as a child has been "to lead is to serve" if people get to know me beyond the superficial they usually go "huh?" except for the occasional INTJ or ENFP, or like fellow ENTJ's who are past the career-money-money-money stage of life. Plus the rare super artistic INTP/INFP with humanitarian leanings.

    If you want to PM me and ask questions on what other combination of factors led to being such rare personality combo you can. Primarily though TCK's http://tckid.com/what-is-a-tck.html have unusual combos and add a crappy childhood... I'm not comfortable with putting all the details out here where the whole internet can laugh at me but you're more than welcome ask in private.

    My blog is http://www.anthropologyisforfoodies.blogspot.com/ and it should give you some clues as well. HTH, but yeah I keep looking but have yet to find another mindmate. ~sigh~
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    entjs in general often help others more than they help themselves. Overly generous. A lot of 8s are naturally too giving and overcompensate with a selfish heartless facade, so that could be construed as 2ish.

    socionics also puts the hidden agenda of SLEs as a desire to fit in and be loved. Many SLE may type as ENTJ (Napoleon for example is an SLE that people seem to fit to ENTJ). Its a mistyping but whatever. The need to be loved can appear 2ish.

    But that only applies to entps and estps. so fuckit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Every single Enneagram to MBTI correlation model I've seen has ranked type 2 ENTJs as essentially non-existent. Type 2 ENFJs are quite common, on the other hand. I think most people that woul actually identify themselves strongly as 2s, and somewhat as ENTJs, are more likely to be ENFJs that have over-estimated their Thinkng levels.
    Yes. I've often been called "over-analytical" and would type myself as ENTJ, without knowing that it was the EFJ's inferior Ti that, when stressed in any form, leads to unhealthy execution of Ti. With that being said, Enneagram 2 is not a ENTJ thing, but the sentiments that are likened with Ennea 2 can be found in other types, like Ennea 8, but in a much more pragmatic style. Hence why ENTJs are said to have a sentimental streak (inferior Fi)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Julius Caesar and Napoleon were likely ENTJs and, according to Naranjo, both Social 2s. I'm not sure I agree with him, but it's important to remember that the theme of Social 2 is Ambition and that they can look a lot like 3s. hence, an So dom ENTJ 2 doesn't seem like it would be too unusual. Integrated 8s are usually easy to tell apart from true 2s (they lack the emotionality and social dependency of a 2 as well as lacking a focus on image)



    Dr. Claudio Naranjo? I like him Met him at an SRI thing yonks ago, he was quite old but had really interesting ideas. Is he still alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I doubt they exist. From E-type 2 descriptions, I'd say that 2s can only be ethical types. I have known ENTJ 3w2s.


    So I take you've ?NEVER? considered figuring out a way of marrying others social/material interests with your intellectual/social interests to create win-win-win situations and more love all around? That's sort of like my favourite thing in a nutshell.

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