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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    And the difference between you detaching or taking over is how much it effects you? I've never managed to detach, it's either take over or walk away.
    I'm a bit confused by this. If you reread my post, there are three levels:

    1. Take over,
    2. say 'fuck ya' and go do my own thing which includes breaking official authority rules if necessary, or
    3. full on detachment of walking away.

    Are you addressing number 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    I'm a bit confused by this. If you reread my post, there are three levels:

    1. Take over,
    2. say 'fuck ya' and go do my own thing which includes breaking official authority rules if necessary, or
    3. full on detachment of walking away.

    Are you addressing number 2?
    Yes, number 2 is just a power demonstration to get to either 1 or 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    I've never managed to detach, it's either take over or walk away.
    You can detach from a person and yet stay present in the situation where the two of you are forced to interact.....I'm talking from a business perspective, of course

    But that is something that I learned with experience.....sometimes I automatically assume that everyone can do it, but then I remember that it took me some time to actually get there

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    Yes, number 2 is just a power demonstration to get to either 1 or 3.
    It can, but doesn't have to be. It can be used to establish/re-establish boundaries within the situation, without the intention of taking over or walking away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    Yes, number 2 is just a power demonstration to get to either 1 or 3.
    So number 2 has never met with success?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    So number 2 has never met with success?

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    It has always met success

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    Quote Originally Posted by iHeartCats View Post
    It can, but doesn't have to be. It can be used to establish/re-establish boundaries within the situation, without the intention of taking over or walking away.
    Not for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    It has always met success
    Then why do you feel that number two is only an avenue to numbers one and three?

    /still confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    I'm a bit confused by this. If you reread my post, there are three levels:

    1. Take over,
    2. say 'fuck ya' and go do my own thing which includes breaking official authority rules if necessary, or
    3. full on detachment of walking away.

    Are you addressing number 2?
    This is interesting.

    So those are the options when authority figures prove themselves incompetent with quantifiable negative impacts to you. How do you decide they are incompetent and what kind of negative impacts have you seen or would bother you?

    I'm curious. How does loyalty come into play, obligation to the larger team you are working with, or commitment to complete something you signed up for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    Not for me.
    So why would you even need 2 then? If you want to do either 1 or 3, what's the point of doing 2 before that? You would only be wasting time

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Then why do you feel that number two is only an avenue to numbers one and three?

    /still confused
    Because when you do that you actively challenge the leader in front of the entire group. If you get to do your thing you're the new leader. If you quit or get fired you're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iHeartCats View Post
    So why would you even need 2 then? If you want to do either 1 or 3, what's the point of doing 2 before that? You would only be wasting time
    How do you take over a leader role without first challenging the current leader?
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