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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    I know they are insecure because they attack me.

    Well revenge... He threatened me. Ok I've already put him in place, but now I want to put him down.

    One of them is a coworker and the other is a neighbour. Both have aspirations to become a boss and both are older than me. The neighbour tries to boss me around because we're both in a committee where he has a higher position and tries to boss me around.

    First time somebody threatens me with something like that (and they were close between), which is why I started the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    I know they are insecure because they attack me.

    Well revenge... He threatened me. Ok I've already put him in place, but now I want to put him down.

    One of them is a coworker and the other is a neighbour. Both have aspirations to become a boss and both are older than me. The neighbour tries to boss me around because we're both in a committee where he has a higher position.

    First time somebody threatens me with something like that (and they were close between), which is why I started the thread.
    Sounds like a potential thriller/drama


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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Not all things are due to a person's type.
    Isn't that a blanket statement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I have seen this play out with a couple of people at work. There was an ESTJ 8 who was in a position where I had to send things through him for approval. He took that role for all it was worth from an influence and power standpoint not just with me but with everyone. He would use a combination of little rants and occasionally threats to get what he wanted or to prove that he was in charge. Overall, he added very low value in the process but I had to work with him. I had a pretty good relationship with the guy and navigated through it well but it annoyed me that I had to deal with that kind of crap. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the 8s can have a tendency to act like they have more authority than they do and that this can irritate others like counterphobic 6s. Because people often have a such a thirst for leadership though and a desire to not want to wield it themselves, they will often hand the 8 the reins.
    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. If there is a cause the CP6 can champion where courage, determination and persistence can be used to conquer something then I think it can be appealing to them. One dramatic example of a cp6 leader is Braveheart. He starts out as a young scrapper mostly alone and independent. When the Brits kill his wife and he is angered over the tyranny of British rule, he becomes their biggest nightmare. That is very 6.

    On a personal level, I do like to lead but it's selective. I don't get enjoyment from being in leadership roles just to lead, which I think 8s tend to do. It has to be associated with a purpose, venture or a cause that I believe in. I also gravitate towards situations that are difficult, new or a challenge vs. situaitons that are running smoothly already.
    Okay, now that you've explained it, CP6s are either competing for the leadership role or they don't want the responsibility of the leadership role but if someone else takes it, like an 8, they have issues with this too unless the 8 handles the leadership role in the manner that the CP6 believes it should be handled.

    Couched as above, do you see anything wrong with this picture?

    As an 8, if I don't wish to listen, I won't. This includes not abiding by what official authorities have defined. I know full well that this can blow up in my face but I'm willing to take the consequences for doing so. If it's an irrelevant issue, it's not worth the stance, regardless of competence of the authority. It's very much a 'yeah, whatevs' attitude. Or if I want the leadership role, I'll take it.

    The difference that I perceive, is that 8s take the agency they want, where CP6s appear to need agency given to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    But why would the CP6 automatically assume that the 8 should be feared where suddenly, it's up to the 8 to make things bettah?

    See how this works?
    We always have to fix everything someone else screws up, at least that's how it feels much of the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Okay, now that you've explained it, CP6s are either competing for the leadership role or they don't want the responsibility of the leadership role but if someone else takes it, like an 8, they have issues with this too unless the 8 handles the leadership role in the manner that the CP6 believes it should be handled.

    Couched as above, do you see anything wrong with this picture?

    As an 8, if I don't wish to listen, I won't. This includes not abiding by what official authorities have defined. I know full well that this can blow up in my face but I'm willing to take the consequences for doing so. If it's an irrelevant issue, it's not worth the stance, regardless of competence of the authority. It's very much a 'yeah, whatevs' attitude. Or if I want the leadership role, I'll take it.

    The difference that I perceive, is that 8s take the agency they want, where CP6s appear to need agency given to them.
    That's how I see this too. I'm not waiting around for someone to give me anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Okay, now that you've explained it, CP6s are either competing for the leadership role or they don't want the responsibility of the leadership role but if someone else takes it, like an 8, they have issues with this too unless the 8 handles the leadership role in the manner that the CP6 believes it should be handled.

    Couched as above, do you see anything wrong with this picture?
    That's not exactly what I said but I can understand why you're making the interpretation you are. I don't think of 6s as typically competing for a leadership role. It's not really our style and feels distasteful. We will assume them. We will engineer getting into them. We'll be given them. We won't compete. It may be part of why we don't like that dynamic with the 8s - because of the way you are thinking about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    As an 8, if I don't wish to listen, I won't. This includes not abiding by what official authorities have defined. I know full well that this can blow up in my face but I'm willing to take the consequences for doing so. If it's an irrelevant issue, it's not worth the stance, regardless of competence of the authority. It's very much a 'yeah, whatevs' attitude. Or if I want the leadership role, I'll take it.

    The difference that I perceive, is that 8s take the agency they want, where CP6s appear to need agency given to them.
    That's interesting about the listening and how you abide by what authorities want. Is it like an anti-authority thing at times? There is an 8 contractor working on one one of my teams right now (probably XNTJ). They guy is very good with very strong communications skills and very strong technical skills. He's a natural leader but he doesn't actually want to be in leadership role. It's perplexing. I think he just doesn't want to answer to anyone and wants to do whatever he feels like. He is a little bit of a premadonna.

    I believe CP6s will be slower to take the "agency" you mention because they don't want to damage their relationship with others. It's not that they need it to be given to them. In a situation of urgency or crisis, they won't hesitate to take that agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    Isn't that a blanket statement?
    Yes it is. I'n not sure the scenario you describe has anything to do with CP6s.

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    CP6 = Anti authority, 8 = power struggle
    Lost but now I am found
    I can see but once I was blind
    I was so confused as a little child
    Tried to take what I could get
    Scared that I couldn't find all the answers
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Yes it is. I'n not sure the scenario you describe has anything to do with CP6s.
    I think it does. They are the only ones who attacks out of the blue by no other reason than me holding my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullterrier View Post
    CP6 = Anti authority, 8 = power struggle
    I think the two can exhibit the same behaviors but for different reasons. Whether that is an accurate depiction of the difference, I'm not sure.

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