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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    Hear me out.

    I was reading the book of genisis and exodus, when it mentioned that "the LORD instilled in them the fear of god, so that they would serve him."

    Enneagram 10: The fear of not serving god.
    Basic desire: Serve the needs of god

    The enneagram 10 lacks the fears of all 9 of the other enneagrams; and only fears the consequences of not serving a higher power to their fullest ability.

    When unhealthy, this person experiences the fears of all 9 enneagrams.

    Health and unhealth are motivated by alignment and recognition of a higher power and its control over the universe. This type is unrecognizable as any other type.

    The fear of god motivates this type to shape themself and correct their behavior due to the flow of life. When fully formed, it has the incorruptibility of a 1, the GENUINE altruism of a 2, the excellence and exemplary behavior of a healthy 3, the unique expression of a 4, the knowledge of a 5, The awareness of a 6, the adventurous and playfulness of a 7, the invulnerability and strength of an 8, and the affability of a 9.

    This is a fully enlightened person. Granted this has a christian slant but I believe it could apply to nirvana as well as some other religions and the basics of fulfillment.

    What are your thoughts?

    Actually, i confess. ive asked myself the same question.

    if I had to confess my true core fear it would be to lose sight of the eternal and become enttranced in the temporal; it could be described as the fear of caring of valuing the temporal at the expense of the eternal, of setting my affections on things that will fade away. Always, there is a consciousness of forever and eternity on my mind. Every word I speak or write, for me, is weighed in the light of eternity. Above all, I seek to recognize eternal truth, to learn to live with unconditional love and to be unphased by anything in this world. What people think of me is irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. I think that everything we are or become stems from what we choose to believe, and in that, our minds are the battleground and our spirits, the prize.
    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

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    I'll give it a try:

    Well it will no longer be an enneagram, since just like it's name implies (ennea, meaning "nine") there are nine types within the system, so adding another type would make it a decagram (or something whatever) and of course other issues arise from this within the structure of the system, but let's give it a shot anyway.

    Also to which type would E10 integrate? (oh just saw you said: it would integrate to healthy traits from each type, not a particular type, ok guess I can roll with that, though it makes you think what will E10 be like when disintegrated, evil incarnated maybe? lol)

    Now: I'll try looking it through your perspective:

    Enneagram 10: The fear of not serving god.
    Basic desire: Serve the needs of god
    The fear of god motivates this type to shape themself and correct their behavior due to the flow of life.
    1.If a being a believer in God necessarily means you need to fear God and this is the core fear that E10 has, than by integrating E10 will lose this fear which would mean he lost the connection with God (because from the above I think we are to conclude that the connection/relationship between man and God is based on fear)
    ("the LORD instilled in them the fear of god, so that they would serve him.")
    2. Still your theory might work IF E10 has a wrong perception of his connection/relationship between him and God (wrong perception that he should fear him) and that is God's will is that instead it's a relationship based on love, so he only thinks he needs to fear him in order to serve him, but integration for E10 would actually mean losing this false perception and understanding that serving God is loving God. (that the connection between man and God is one of love, not fear)

    But if I recall correctly in Christianity God should be loved but also feared, so I think defeated my own pro argument. So there you have it.

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    Adolf Hitler must have been a type 10, just very unhealthy.

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    One of the defining qualities of the Enneagram types is that their fears stem from basic existential issues deeply rooted in the human condition and common to almost everyone. The fear of not serving God doesn't fall into this category; it is a fear specific to religious people.
    I think his theory holds the presumption that all healthy types would believe in God, health would mean becoming a theist if you're not one, and that 10 you'll naturally be inclined in believing,(free of doubt maybe) something that E10 is gifted with and all other types have to work to get there in a sense.

    In other words if I understood it correctly health/integration=theism, unhealthy/disintegration=atheism or agnosticism

    Also even if we don't believe in a higher entity of any sort, it's still a question everyone of us has asked himself, a question immanent to human nature and the way we answer it determines in a way our existence. Although I have to agree: the particular fear of not serving God doesn't fall into that category because though it may be that questioning his existence might fit into that category, the fear of not serving God is exclusive to religious individuals, so maybe E10 fear can be that God doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evee View Post
    Adolf Hitler must have been a type 10, just very unhealthy.
    Nope. Before further disinformation spreads: Hitler was into enneagram and he stated whit which type he identified with!
    Here you go:

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    I think 6's or 9's fear fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    One of the defining qualities of the Enneagram types is that their fears stem from basic existential issues deeply rooted in the human condition and common to almost everyone. The fear of not serving God doesn't fall into this category; it is a fear specific to religious people. What makes it specific to religious people is not a difference in basic psychological makeup, as we would hope if we were going to make this an Enneagram type, but a simple difference in creed. If you were to take the personality of a modern atheist and put it in the world of 500 years ago, that atheist would be a believer, not because his basic personality had changed but because there was immense social pressure to believe and religion was infinitely more plausible in those days. His same personality would lead him to different conclusions and make possible an otherwise inconceivable fear.

    The tenth Enneagram type, the one with the potential to outshine them all, would be the type whose basic fear is fear itself.
    I think 6's or 9's fear fear.

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    This actually kind of makes sense. I have heard a sermon before that fearing God erases all other fears, once someone realizes God is so big and so omnipotent, there is nothing else to fear. But I don't understand what would be the unhealthy side to it. Either someone fears God or they do not. It seems this is something outside of enneagram, more complete and perfect. Enneagrams have good and bad sides to them and this is the ultimate goal (for religious people).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    This actually kind of makes sense. I have heard a sermon before that fearing God erases all other fears, once someone realizes God is so big and so omnipotent, there is nothing else to fear. But I don't understand what would be the unhealthy side to it. Either someone fears God or they do not. It seems this is something outside of enneagram, more complete and perfect. Enneagrams have good and bad sides to them and this is the ultimate goal (for religious people).
    The unhealthy side is kenosis until self annihilation. Willingly casting yourself into hell without realizing it. Knowing the truth about god and rebelling against him. Luciferianism, nihilism, solipsism etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    Enneagram 10: The fear of not serving god.
    Basic desire: Serve the needs of god

    (...)

    What are your thoughts?
    Fits into type 1, no need to make an entire new type just for this religious BS


    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    Ever watch the movie predator, and when you go to tell your friends about how badass arnold swarzennegar and predator were, they say something like, "Oh yeah I saw that movie, that's the one where will ferrel dressed up in an elf costume!"

    That is how I feel about pretty much everyone who says they understand the bible.
    Lol so according to your criteria, who understands the bible? Nobody?


    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    One of the defining qualities of the Enneagram types is that their fears stem from basic existential issues deeply rooted in the human condition and common to almost everyone. The fear of not serving God doesn't fall into this category; it is a fear specific to religious people. What makes it specific to religious people is not a difference in basic psychological makeup, as we would hope if we were going to make this an Enneagram type, but a simple difference in creed. If you were to take the personality of a modern atheist and put it in the world of 500 years ago, that atheist would be a believer, not because his basic personality had changed but because there was immense social pressure to believe and religion was infinitely more plausible in those days. His same personality would lead him to different conclusions and make possible an otherwise inconceivable fear.
    I disagree, I think personality and psychological makeup does correlate with willingness and/or ability to believe in a god. I was brought up in a religious family but I was left unaffected by the religion. Additionally, I'm pretty sure there were atheists 500 years ago too, not everyone believed in god even back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinite View Post
    Lol so according to your criteria, who understands the bible? Nobody?
    only a handful of fags. some pastors, a couple of my friends, one of them a jehovas witness.

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