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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyonce View Post
    How do you think you differ from your 1w9 siblings? And what are some traits that people generally like about you, and dislike about you?
    One of my good friends is a 1w9 and I think the biggest different is approach. They generally seem to be a little more subtle and "colder" about things. Less highs/lows. We often differ on approach of things. I'll be direct, where as he's more of a sit down and work through this. I think they also tend to be a little more focused on the minutia.
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    How do you manage stress? Do you find it difficult to let others help you? Of so, when/from whom do you ask for it?
    You hem me in -- behind and before;
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    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.

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    @Beyonce I don't think I know any 1w9s? So I'm not sure.

    @five sounds Some of this could be colored by my MBTI type, but I usually see stress management as an annoying roadblock in between point A and point B. When it's the nervous-energy kind of stress, I notice it and do something to calm myself down, like watch a funny YouTube video or chat with friends for a few minutes. Otherwise, I might not know I'm stressed -- I might notice a "weird" mood, and try to barrel through it to get to my goal. YMMV, lol

    Re: the rest of your questions, if I promised anyone I'd get something done, then I have a hard time asking for help, because I said I personally would get it done. It'd be going back on my word. However, I'm good at delegating, because I'm good at seeing who's best at what relative to each other (and myself), so in other situations I'm very good at asking for help.
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    Oh I have a few questions for other 1w2s:

    - Are you embarrassed by your former self, be it childhood, ten years ago, or just the other day?
    - Do you see your life, up to this point, as an upward trajectory from less perfect/ideal to more perfect/ideal?
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    Emphatic yesses to both!

    Also, I think I don't have much trouble requesting help if the other person is decent about it and if it is not something that I am really emotionally invested in (and therefore have a strong enough vision of how I want the job done that I can't relinquish control). I generally am happy to ask for help in the parts that are not areas of strength for me.

    I don't know many 1w9s, so can't really make a good comparison/contrast.

    I'm mostly okay with stress control except when I am not aware of how affected I am right away, which leads to irregular sleep patterns, frivolous purchases, putting off decision making, and nervous stomach. I like resolution and find it hard to live without that.

    I don't know if I know a lot of sevens.

    I think people like that I am a good listener, warm, accommodating, generous and invested. I think they dislike that I sometimes have strongly held convictions that don't match theirs and that I take awhile to process things and need to revisit them. I also have a tendency towards organized messiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Oh I have a few questions for other 1w2s:

    - Are you embarrassed by your former self, be it childhood, ten years ago, or just the other day?
    - Do you see your life, up to this point, as an upward trajectory from less perfect/ideal to more perfect/ideal?
    I am emberrassed mostly by my teenager self...that was the low point for me... from that point onwards, it has been an uphill battle but I am constantly gaining ground towards my ideal self...

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    Borrowed from susurration @PerC

    wise acceptance
    discerning rationality
    self-disciplined ethics

    preachy idealism
    rigid logic
    perfectionistic judgment

    vitriolic self-righteousness
    hypocritical obsession
    sadistic condemnation


    Enneatype 1 and wings.

    Type one people care more than most about whether things are as they should be. They can become trapped by compulsive judgment and correction, of themselves or of others. One of their talents is an intuitive ability to sense what is true, good, and right.

    Except in rare cases, people of type one show a flavoring from one of the two adjacent wing points, so we can say they are one with a nine wing (1/9) or one with a two wing (1/2).

    Like all humans, ones also come in three instinctual flavors: social (1sc), sexual (1sx), or self-preserving (1sp). In addition, ones also experience nine distinct levels of mental-emotional health (briefly described by the phrases at the top of this page). Therefore, it is possible to distinguish fifty-four distinct subflavors of type one.



    one with a nine wing

    general description

    Average 1/9 combines the perfectionism and judgment of type one with the withdrawal-from-stress of nine. Of all the subtypes, 1/9 is the driest. The emotions are generally the least available on the surface. The usual overall feeling is strict, rational, quiet practicality. The nine-wing makes them less likely to voice their critical views, unlike the more outspoken 1/2. 1/9 would rather act oneishly, from principled judgment, than withdraw into uncaring, nineish apathy like the softer 9/1, but both tendencies are present.


    balanced and transcendent states

    Healthy 1/9 overcomes emotional repression, discovering an inner warmth. Although they still have a tendency to judge, they do not take their judgements quite so seriously, allowing for the possibility that they may be wrong. The nineish tendency to withdraw from stress comes under conscious control, allowing them to take a more active role in life, although there is still a gentle, quiet feeling. The compulsive workaholic turns into a responsible but fun-loving person who allows time for just letting go and relaxing.

    In extreme integration, the joy of seven comes in strongly, adding a sense of enthusiastic involvement in life. This combines with threeish charisma and accomplishment to build a powerful sense of self-creation and self-esteem. 1/9 saints are gentle but persistent teachers. The selfless union of nine combines with the deep wisdom of one, opening a special kind of access to reality. Spiritually advanced 1/9s seem to be effortlessly in touch with the unfolding Work of the world.


    unbalanced and unhealthy states

    Unhealthy 1/9s often overcontrol their emotions, resulting in a kind of physical rigidity accompanied by an undercurrent of vaguely explosive energy. The repressed emotions, particularly anger, build up unnoticed and leak out in the form of tics and nervous gestures. One disintegrates to four, resulting in hostility, introspective withdrawal, and deep self-hatred, while nine disintegrates to six, bringing in suspicion, blaming, and passive-aggressive behavior. But the fearful blaming and suspicion are kept inside, where they become bottled up ever more tightly.

    As the repressed emotionality becomes more and more tightly bound, behaviors begin to resemble robotic, automatic rituals. All of life becomes a lockstep repetition of extremely stylized routines. In deep imbalance, 1/9 can become extremely anxious about getting everything precisely right. Every tiny move is subject to intense, painful scrutiny, and past behaviors are examined in agonizing detail. (Did I leave the oven on? Did I lock the door? Did I run over somebody on the way to work?) Eventually, psychotic 1/9 might become completely paralyzed into inaction, stabbed through the heart by the endless need to repeat behaviors until they feel precisely correct.


    physical appearance

    Most 1/9s physically tend to reflect their inner dryness. They tend to have a linear sort of feel. They are often thin and bony, sometimes to extremes. Male 1/9's in our society seldom have beards or mustaches. Although there are obese 1/9s, they are quite rare. They stand up straight and tall, and they use few gestures. There is a spare, rigid feeling. Smiles, if any, are restrained but genuine. These are usually quiet, conservative, repressed people.


    callings

    Some 1/9s find work that allows them to express their talents for quietly performing precisely detailed tasks. Accountants, bank executives, tax advisers, computer programmers, technical analysts. Others feel best when they can further a cause, maybe even in a public position. Politicians, economists, political analysts, linguists, or clergy. 1/9s are also found among teachers (usually of dry subjects, like math, history, or finance), administrators, account executives, and in the media as political reporters and columnists. There are 1/9 inventors, psychologists, and research scientists. Of course, 1/9s can also be found doing many other kinds of work.

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    One with a two wing

    general description

    Average 1/2 combines the dry, rational, practical concerns of type one with the wet, other-directedness of two. The emotional repression of one is somewhat balanced by the self-defined goodness and desire-to-please of two. 1/2s typically care more about appearance than 1/9, and because of their oneish perfectionism they often dress immaculately. The pride from their two-wing makes them more visibly sensitive to criticism than 1/9, although both subtypes are internally very hard on themselves. Unlike 2/1, they would usually rather do the right thing than please someone else, although they want to do both if possible.


    balanced and transcendent states


    Healthy 1/2s begin to loosen up somewhat, becoming able to let go of their righteous judgements. They begin to allow for the possibility that their views might not be entirely accurate. Their other-directed corrections soften up and actually become helpful rather than intrusive. They become able to see the difference between proud perfectionism and healthy tolerance of differences.

    When 1/2s attain spiritual opening, they can become teachers of the highest order. One integrates to seven, bringing in joy and enthusiasm, while two integrates to four, replacing selfish manipulation with genuine compassionate concern for others. Deep oneish wisdom combines with twoish loving generosity for an intensely personal kind of guidance, even when they are addressing large groups. Somehow advanced 1/2s seem to know exactly what is needed for maximum teaching value in any situation. They teach by asking the right questions, gently guiding the student to deeper insights.


    unbalanced and unhealthy states


    Unhealthy 1/2s run into problems when twoish pride interacts with oneish perfectionism. A tremendous inner conflict rages between the two-wing that says "I am a good, generous person" and the oneish view that sees every tiny error as a sign of fundamental worthlessness. One disintegrates to four, where self-critical introspection creates a spiral of hopelessness, while two disintegrates to eight, so that when the heavily repressed anger erupts it does so in sudden (but usually very short) fits of hyper-critical rage, sometimes accompanied by overt violence. Naturally these violent fits then become more food for the self-judgment spiral, as the 1/2 falls into guilty remorse.

    In the worst cases, repressed oneish anger and hostile twoish pride combine, creating intense sessions of wrenching, hand-wringing despair. If my anger is not expressed towards others, then it is directed at myself. I am not good enough if I cannot meet my own standards. I must work harder and harder, or I will fail my own increasingly difficult self-tests. Self-punishment is necessary, in the form of grueling work days, endless tormented repetitions of not-quite perfect tasks, and every kind of refusal to experience any sort of pleasure. Suicide is possible.


    physical appearance


    Most 1/2s take care to appear neat, clean, and orderly. Hair is carefully clipped, especially facial hair (if any) and clothing is just so. Beards are almost always partial, shaved in places for a distinguished effect. Physically they are usually on the thin side, although of course there are exceptions. They hold their heads high. Sometimes it seems as if they are looking down their noses at the world. When they smile there might be a condescending feel. Maybe the eyebrows are lifted perpetually into points, showing a judgmental quality.


    callings


    Some 1/2s find work that expresses an urge to help other people become perfect. Teachers of all kinds, but particularly languages, humanities, science, and medicine. Doctors, dentists, physicians, surgeons, health counselors. Dietitians, tour guides, advice columnists. Another common direction is towards discriminating legal wisdom. Court judges, prosecuting attorneys, criminal analysts, and legislators. A 1/2 might find a way to champion a cause. Environmental crusaders, public safety specialists, regulators of morals and ethics, religious leaders, charismatic preachers. There are 1/2 ship captains, superheroes, actors, and mathematicians. Of course, 1/2s can also be found doing many other kinds of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrderOfTheCaelifera View Post
    physical appearance


    Most 1/2s take care to appear neat, clean, and orderly. Hair is carefully clipped, especially facial hair (if any) and clothing is just so. Beards are almost always partial, shaved in places for a distinguished effect. Physically they are usually on the thin side, although of course there are exceptions. They hold their heads high. Sometimes it seems as if they are looking down their noses at the world. When they smile there might be a condescending feel. Maybe the eyebrows are lifted perpetually into points, showing a judgmental quality.
    Appearently, Spock was an 1w2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Appearently, Spock was an 1w2.
    I would've figured Spock for a 5w6 rather than either E1 type.


    (borrowed from a thread by screamofconscious) Five with a Six-Wing

    The traits of the Five and those of the Six-wing reinforce each other, combining to produce one of the most difficult of the personality types to contact intimately or to sustain a relationship with. Persons of this sub-type have problems trusting others both because they are essentially Fives and because the Six-wig reinforces anxiety, making any kind of risk taking in relationships difficult. Hence, their interpersonal relations are erratic and, in general, are not an important part of their lives. Noteworthy examples of this sub-type include Sigmund Freud, Simone Weil, James Joyce, Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, B. F. Skinner, Isaac Asimov, Ezra Pound, and Stephen Hawking.
    Healthy people of this sub-type are loyal and committed to their families and beliefs. They are extraordinarily hard workers, caring little for their own comfort and much more for their work and the fulfillment of their duties. In them we find an intellectual playfulness, a good sense of humor, as well as other attractive, lovable qualities. If others have been tested and permitted to come closer, they discover that people of this sub-type have a deep capacity for friendship and commitment. There is also an endearing element in their desire to be accepted by others, and even if they are sometimes socially clumsy, others cannot help but be touched by their eagerness to reach out to people.
    However, average persons of this sub-type generally have problems with relationships. They do not seem to know what to do with their feelings,much less how to express them directly. Hence we find an insensitivity to their own feelings and emotional needs, as well as to the feelings and emotional needs of others. They have no awareness about how they communicate themselves to others. (They are the classical intellectual nerd, the socially inept oddball.) They are totally wrapped up with intellectual pursuits and live completely in their minds, immersing themselves in their work to the exclusion of everything else. When interpersonal conflicts arise, average Fives with a Six-wing avoid resolving problems by burying themselves even more deeply in their intellectual work and by employing passive-aggressive techniques, putting off people and problems rather than dealing with them directly. They can be rebellious and argumentative for no apparent reason, although something may have touched off unconscious emotional associations.
    Neurotics of this sub-type have a tendency to be suspicious of others and extremely fearful of intimacy of any sort. The isolation and paranoia we see in unhealthy Fives are reinforced by the Six-wing's suspicion, inferiority feelings, and conviction of being persecuted. We also find the tendency to overreact, and hence to act irrationally and in masochistic, self-defeating ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrderOfTheCaelifera View Post
    I would've figured Spock for a 5w6 rather than either E1 type.
    In the movie (with Chris Pine ), definitely. I'd say ISTJ 5w6 sp/so.

    I haven't heard much about the show, but the main typing I've seen of him with good reasoning behind it is INTJ 1w9 sp/sx.
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