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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    I see it now in your second post. I had only read your first post and skimmed through the pages after that.
    The sexual 2 seems completely different from the self pres and social.
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    Social 2:



    Sexual 2 (the woman. the man is a Sexual 4):



    I can't even imagine what a 2w1 sx dom would seem like.
    I picture something like this:



    Is the sexual 2 more likely to have a wing of 3?
    imo, yes (though 2w3 is probably more common in general)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    the manner in which 2s seek love is not much "please love me" (that's more 9/phobic 6), but rather "I will make you DESIRE me!" (Sexual 2), "GLORIFY me!" (Social 2) or "Give me what I deserve" (Self Preservation 2)
    I'm a 2 and can only confirm wholeheartedly what Elfboy says. I can confirm that I have a tendency to emotionally manipulate others. But for the purpose of being liked/loved, not manipulative in the sense of trying to scheme something darker. So yeah : seductive! I'm very subtle at doing so. I'm oddly aware of other people's emotions towards myself. I also know very well what works with others (to get them to like me). Like how to act, what to say and how to appear subtly mysterious to someone. I usually get what I want, when I want it.

    The "helper" description is a bit dual indeed : I help people all the time but it is essentially to be loved/liked myself, not really for altruistic reasons.

    The "Desire me/Glorify me" approach as you put it, definitely rings true to me. And I'm worth all your glory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    @skylights @brainheart
    the manner in which 2s seek love is not much "please love me" (that's more 9/phobic 6), but rather "I will make you DESIRE me!" (Sexual 2), "GLORIFY me!" (Social 2) or "Give me what I deserve" (Self Preservation 2)
    I don't see how what I say contradicts that. I said they take pride in how they get that love. That's decidedly different than 'please love me'. I think the hallmark of a two is that they expect something back in return when they give, even if it's just a thank you note. It's like, 'if I'm going to love you, you'd better acknowledge that love and love me back.'

    That said, I think you're making this into too conscious of a process as far as twos go. Neuroses aren't always so obvious- especially to the person who is under the spell of them. I'm pretty sure many (not all) twos perceive themselves as selfless, generous, altruistic people, and that's where the deception of the self image can come in- because they aren't doing it selflessly, they're mainly doing it to get something in return. The social wants public accolades, the self pres wants more material sort of comforts, and the sexual wants to be like Helen of Troy.

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    @brainheart
    I don't see how what I say contradicts that.
    never said it did

    Neuroses aren't always so obvious- especially to the person who is under the spell of them.
    obvious to them: no
    obvious to me: usually (reading people is far easier than people make it out to be)

    I'm pretty sure many (not all) twos perceive themselves as selfless, generous, altruistic people, and that's where the deception of the self image can come in- because they aren't doing it selflessly, they're mainly doing it to get something in return.
    here is where we disagree. most 2s do not see themselves as selfless/altruistic/goody-2-shoes. Social 2s view themselves much like 3s, Self Preservation 2s are egocentric (and likely view themselves in a similar manner to 7s) and Sexual 2s view themselves as risque and forbidden fruit.

    The social wants public accolades, the self pres wants more material sort of comforts, and the sexual wants to be like Helen of Troy.
    sounds about right
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    Um. Aren't there twos who are aware that they don't feel lovable and don't hide it, but do their best to be lovable?
    You are so arbitrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtlost View Post
    Um. Aren't there twos who are aware that they don't feel lovable and don't hide it, but do their best to be lovable?
    once again, the key is in the word "lovable". the type of love the 2 is looking for is much more intimate and, for lack of a better word, id-ish, not "yay! people appreciate me because I'm helpful!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    once again, the key is in the word "lovable". the type of love the 2 is looking for is much more intimate and, for lack of a better word, id-ish, not "yay! people appreciate me because I'm helpful!"
    Yeah, I didn't mean that all they want to do is be helpful. It's not even about being helpful. It's just that at first, it sounded as if you were saying all 2s simply believe that they are lovable, but so far I've met twos who constantly ask if someone loves them or not. They can make fifteen different laundry lists about what makes them unlovable, but they'll try to make it up some other way... but for the most part they focus on why they aren't lovable.
    You are so arbitrary.

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    What sort of a 2 would this be?
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    The reason the "Helper" profiles exist is to appeal to the Pride of the 2s so they accurately self-type. However, I find sx-dom 2s less likely to see themselves in those profiles, but most 2s DO seem to feel they are giving in terms of love or affection. It's more that they are the gift rather than their helpful services. Some so or sp 2s like to appear magnanimous, but it's more in their intent than action. They FEEL giving more than they are giving, and they expect a return on it (average 4 trait of resentment can pop up & 8 disintegration of lusty entitlement - it's never enough to fill their void).

    Many 2ish stereotypes of being helpful in a service-oriented or people-pleasing way sounds phobic 6 or 9 to me. I've seen some INFPs & ISFJs type as 2 when they seem more 6 or 9; they type as 2 because they see themselves as self-sacrificing

    I notice some ENFXs type as 4 when they may be 2 because they see themselves as being sort of exotic and romantic and having depth. But it's prideful, not having the poor self image & melancholy of the 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    @skylights @brainheart
    the manner in which 2s seek love is not much "please love me" (that's more 9/phobic 6), but rather "I will make you DESIRE me!" (Sexual 2), "GLORIFY me!" (Social 2) or "Give me what I deserve" (Self Preservation 2)
    I see it as an understood bargain in which the 2 tries to help others and thereby expects their love in return, and the element of pride plays in with their identity/image of being the person who deserves love.

    I think the "what I deserve" on the part of the sp 2 is a lot more muted, though, especially with 2w1, and soc is more about social acknowledgement than glorification. As far as I understand most 2s simply desire acknowledgement of their effort to earn love. As an image type, 2 creates an image that they are proud of... I doubt any 2 would be able to see themselves in the statements you list above, because they are too conscious and not idealistic.

    I think the 2 mindset would be more like "If I can do ____ for my children, they will love me", or "If I can do ____ for my husband, I will earn his faithfulness". Whereas 6 and 9 don't really have that sense that love can be earned.

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