Thanks that's a nice description again. I still don't relate to looking forward to the future in this way. Mine's so much more general/vague, it's just the sense that the future shouldn't be bad. Nothing more concrete for me and it's not even conscious often. But this is pretty important to me, this is my sense of optimism. Doesn't mean I always have it But when I rebound from shit, I do regain this way of looking at the future and that's good. That's my default.I don't think I try to compensate with intensity for the most part, but (and I don't know if this is so/sx related) I do feel so much better about things when I have the next thing in line or if I am with someone. Like it'll be so much easier for me to go home if I know I'm going to see the people in class the next day. I love going to parties with my boyfriend now because we go, it's big and exciting and stimulating, and we can leave and it's comforting but there's no "bottom falling out" feeling like there used to be because I'm going home with him and I have a companion to engage with and someone to curl up with at night. So the enjoyment never really ends, it just changes.
I relate to the last line though (bolded), I mean I like it if life is like that. Though what's meant by enjoyment is maybe different for you than for me :p
Ooh I like "pushing further", "going beyond boundaries", but I don't relate to the recombining / varied etc adjectives Guess this helps again to understand 7 more, thanks.Yes, definitely. I think it can be a strength when wielded with awareness. It's a very expansive and varied energy. Always pushing further, going beyond boundaries, constantly recombining, riding on the crest of the wave.
Well I don't truly understand this one... Being in the present moment in my case doesn't require being in touch with myself inside or whatever. No, it's something completely unrelated to me. That to me sounds like you're talking about some sort of self-awareness but it really isn't needed to live in the moment. Maybe you are bringing some Fi into this where it doesn't need to be. I don't really have FiAh. I was probably being confusing by using internal and external, perhaps a better distinction would be "future" and "present". Immersing in the present moment requires being in touch with one's present self, as well - exactly what one is at the moment. The 7 has to stop running away into the future world and come to terms with the present world. It's hard for the 7 to trust that because they see limitations in the present world and fear them, while the future has no limitations. The 7 who starts focusing on the present might at first feel panic because of the perceived lack of possibility, but will eventually begin to understand that the only thing that really ever has existed is the present.
I get what you mean about the future having no limitations but this must be a Ne thing again because trust me I couldn't care less about the future having no limitations. Future is unreal, future is not here, I don't have the future with me. I only have the present and I always thought this way. The present may have limitations but how I solve that issue is by trying to overcome them. E.g. what Redbone said about that ESFP sister, affecting the situation. Also when I'm content/satisfied in the moment I don't worry about the limitations of the present. Oh I guess this is the most un-7-ish thing I've said so far Though that's only when I'm content and I'm not always content. So that then is the 7 in me, I guess.
I see. Oh I so don't relate to this, this is one of the reasons why I have a hard time with the ESxP stereotype. I may be Se-dom but the above description is not me. Sure, sometimes I can get like this but I can't say I'm like this with "never stopping".But I do think this will be different for a Se dom than Ne dom, as others have been saying. My description is probably unintentionally biased towards Ne-7. I think of my ESTP 7w8 sx/so friend and I think she sort of lives her version of this process by creating huge fun explosions of activity wherever she goes. She's always gearing everyone up for the next big thing, getting everyone more drunk, getting people to agree to do more things with her, pulling more people in on her adventures. In college if the party wound down or if I went to class she'd go find someone else to party with or she'd go do a killer workout at the gym or she'd go on a 7 mile run or she'd watch TV with her whole suite of neighbors. It was always go-go-go with her, very grounded and tangible but always about constant movement, never stopping.
The university example, hmm, did you actually manage to get into the classes as a result of executing your plan?Well, I think that would sort of depend on how you go about planning. As a Ne-dom w7, I totally "spin my wheels" in planning sometimes. The plan becomes enjoyable because it's all about this ideal version of the future where everything is possible, and while I'm lost in the plan I don't think about the present mess or how difficult things may actually be. An example - I just started post-bac classes at a new university, and I missed the spring registration deadline last semester because I didn't realize how soon it would be (my old university's registration dates were much later in the semester). I tried not to think about the reality of it and constructed a plan to get myself into the classes I wanted, speaking to people, pulling strings, filling out forms, etc. Lots of forward movement but not really addressing the core of me needing to be better about learning the university's calendar and policies. And that's a sort of 7 thing to do. Push-push-push and skate over the top of things. Ignore the festering reality while dreaming about a brighter future. Distract yourself with more fun things so you don't have to deal with how you might be boxed in (that strikes me as particularly 6/7-7/6 whereas 7/8-8/7 would probably be more about breaking the boxes). Hopefully that's a pretty decent example. Again, I might be 6-biased, but I think that's a fairly true one.
When planning bigger stuff - actual goals - I do realise that it isn't easy stuff but that is what makes the planning more enjoyable.
Do you ever temporarily focus on the "festering reality"? Emotional issues/pain?
That's okay as long as you enjoy and really immerse in what you're actually doing.I get it. It's not really a pain for me, just a little sad knowing you won't get to see everything, at least not in this lifetime (note w7 coping mechanism of "never say never")
...I've always been good at that but as far as I understand this state is just what the 7 needs to reach?
To be honest, the question never occurred to me, that is, whether I deserve the stuff I want etc. (EDIT: I will talk more about this entitlement topic below)They don't need to justify so much--possibly, because they do have that 1 connection--but for the most part, they feel they're already justified simply for being themselves.
If I tried to think about that, it would be pretty bad, I think. It would definitely kill my "ego", I'm just not ready for that.
See I'm being honest here
I read once that 7's are the most shameless and guiltless type... I kind of relate to that. But only 50/50, I'm capable of feeling/caring about certain responsibilities. This however doesn't exclude the "entitlement" thingie for me...
Quite honestly... Smartness is a tool. So I would say the latter. That is, my confidence comes from willpower.Does more of your ego rest on your sense of "smartness" or "willpower"? I think that'll be the difference between 7 and 8. Sevens are a mental type and primarily focus on that aspect. Eights are a body type and their sense of confidence is more about will and/or physicality.
I would still add that I can appreciate intellectual things for their own sake, then it's not just a tool. But willpower has an element even there in most cases, in terms of mental challenges.
Uhm and Se 7's, are they mental types? Or Ne 8's, are they more body than mind? Not nitpicking, this just doesn't make total sense to me.
So do you mean, a sense of entitlement would involve not putting up the struggle and instead just expecting the thing to be had easily because it's deserved? When I said I don't question that I "deserve" things, it's about how I don't question that I want whatever, even if it means others don't get it. I think that was defined as sadism in Naranjo's book :o I really don't want to call it this way because the concept of sadism to me involves being fully aware of and willingly causing pain for the sake of causing pain and that's something else. In the context of "deserving" of things it's at best objectification.I mean 8s will put up an all out struggle, and 7s often move onto something else rather than get down and dirty. They're more inclined to see discomfort and difficulty as being indicative of a problem, rather than something to be surmounted.
I would like to understand however how the 7's entitlement is different from that.... any thoughts?
I do like to feel "better" than others in a sense. This is a pretty generic word though... Talent is good, sure, but just learning the basics isn't a big thing to me.I think it's just a mental comparison and they have to have a one-up on others. "I can still play this piece better than anyone else in the room". And their ego rests on that--that they have more talent than others. And it's inherent talent--they don't like to struggle to acquire their talents so they tend to bank on their ability to learn the basics quickly.
Ok well I don't relate to this kind of escapismI think they could be competitive, but more likely they'd just move on to something they are better at if they come up feeling short in comparison to others.