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    @Halla74

    You are an Se-dom 7, so I would be really curious hearing from you how 7w8 plays out in a Se-dom type. Everyone else so far wrote about Ne-doms :p I am curious about how you experience the aspects of gluttony. Do you ever do future oriented planning/fantasy, anticipation, whatnot? How about variety? Passive enjoyment vs active fighting to get what you want?

    (As for the latter; I see you do type as Se-ego type in socionics, they like fighting like that, it would be pretty interesting to see how that's still a 7.....)

    Oh yeah and it was @small.wonder who recommended I ask you about 7w8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    @Halla74
    Hello there!

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    You are an Se-dom 7, so I would be really curious hearing from you how 7w8 plays out in a Se-dom type. Everyone else so far wrote about Ne-doms :p
    Sure thing, I'll be glad to share these things from my perspective.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    I am curious about how you experience the aspects of gluttony.
    It's interesting how I experience gluttony.
    Yes, I realize it is at the essence of that which defines 7s, and I make no claims whatsoever to be exempted from that.
    However, as a self-aware being who holds himself accountable for his actions, I hold my pre-disposition to over-indulge by default in check for many reasons.

    Among them:
    (1) Experience has taught me that while it is foolish to turn upon my nature, that does not mean I must give into any and all of my impulses.

    (2) Self Awareness and Realization of Opportunity Cost in Life = Over-indulging in "X" might result in foregoing the chance of experiencing "Y" - and if I value "Y" more than "X" - it's silly for me to do so.

    (3) Balance is Precious = In general, I make good decisions quickly. However, I will also clarification to this as follows. I make the *BEST* decisions when I am at a state of *BALANCE* - and to me, that is when my head, my heart, my body, my gut, and my spirit are all in good order, and are all present in my consciousness. The greater the importance of any decision I must make, the better off all those affected by that decision (and not just me) will be if I am able to make it from a balanced state - and perspective.

    (4) If all my life's priorities were in good order, and I had an unexpected windfall of significant magnitude, make no doubt about it - some would be stashed for a rainy day, and the rest would be spent on one hell of a vacation with my family.

    (5) Gone are the days of rampant gluttony for the sake of gluttony in my life. I do not look back on them in regret, not at all. I look back at them as moments in time when I had access to drive a ridiculously fast sports car, but did not have the experience needed to fully realize it's potential on the road. After a few less than perfect runs on the track of life I'm a much better driver ... and know what to do with my car, for my sake, and for the sake of everyone else on the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Do you ever do future oriented planning/fantasy, anticipation, whatnot?
    I don't fantasize. I am very much in touch with my dreams however - and by dreams I mean "that which I wish to be" - and not "floating in a land where unicorns fart cupcakes."
    "Anticipation" is also of limited utility to me as it doesn't result in anything but more thought, more want, more apprehension, etc.
    I set out to accomplish things. I evaluate my current position, recognize my desired outcome, perform a gap analysis between where I am and where I wish to be, and then systematically plan the steps to bridge that gap, and set out to accomplish the objective.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    How about variety?
    Allow me to split this out into two concepts:

    For inanimate things, food, drink, novel experiences, etc: Variety is the spice of life!

    For people, beliefs, convictions, and principles: These are to be treasured as they are, and protected at all costs.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Passive enjoyment vs active fighting to get what you want?
    Passive enjoyment to me is equivocated to watching a movie. I put the time and cost of admission into the experience, sit down and watch it, and what I get out of it is what I get out of it. That's about as passive as I can be.

    When it comes to professional or academic matters then I am all about ACTIVE FIGHTING:
    Do what needs to be done to accomplish the objective at hand. That does not mean it is necessary to be a Machiavellian fucktard all the time. That's hardly the case at all. In this day and age it is way more important to build alliances, and to help others achieve their goals and to use the collaborative efforts of such partnerships to make your goals happen - just as much as it is my part to bust my ass and deliver drop dead, world class, works of excellence for anything that has my name on it. Being an army of one is a great gift. However, it does not mean that you should fight every battle alone just for the sake of doing so. That's wasteful, and not at all strategic.

    When it comes to interpersonal matters I'm all about SINCERITY:
    People are the treasure of this life. Surround yourself with good people, and be active in their lives, and they will be active in yours, and all of you will be better off because of it, and will wind up making the world a better place in the course of your daily lives. It is not possible to establish good, meaningful, trusting relationships with people unless you are of good intent, and sincere. Liars and scoundrels will expose themselves in due time, and more often than not in short order. I don't bullshit people, and I don't let people bullshit me. Life is too short for bullshit. Show up, make your case, do your best and let the good times roll.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    (As for the latter; I see you do type as Se-ego type in socionics, they like fighting like that, it would be pretty interesting to see how that's still a 7.....)
    I believe I explained that above. It's all about what you are fighting for, and that will layout what options make sense in your quest for achieving as such.
    Any additional clarifications needed on this, please let me know.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Oh yeah and it was [color=blue @small.wonder[/color] who recommended I ask you about 7w8.
    @small.wonder has a *VERY* good understanding of the 7w8 and 8w7 mindsets, and is able to back up theory with life experience via knowing people of each type.
    Small.wonder is very wise, and when wise people speak, I listen.

    Have a great day!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Hello there!
    Hi


    Sure thing, I'll be glad to share these things from my perspective.
    Thanks.


    It's interesting how I experience gluttony.
    Yes, I realize it is at the essence of that which defines 7s, and I make no claims whatsoever to be exempted from that.
    However, as a self-aware being who holds himself accountable for his actions, I hold my pre-disposition to over-indulge by default in check for many reasons.
    OK, that's pretty cool.


    I don't fantasize. I am very much in touch with my dreams however - and by dreams I mean "that which I wish to be" - and not "floating in a land where unicorns fart cupcakes."
    So do you ponder these dreams pretty regularly?


    "Anticipation" is also of limited utility to me as it doesn't result in anything but more thought, more want, more apprehension, etc.
    So are you trying to say you are very much capable of prolonged anticipation with more mental activity associated with it, you just learned not to care?


    I set out to accomplish things. I evaluate my current position, recognize my desired outcome, perform a gap analysis between where I am and where I wish to be, and then systematically plan the steps to bridge that gap, and set out to accomplish the objective.
    I relate to that


    Allow me to split this out into two concepts:

    For inanimate things, food, drink, novel experiences, etc: Variety is the spice of life!
    Ah eh I guess you are totally 7 :P


    Passive enjoyment to me is equivocated to watching a movie. I put the time and cost of admission into the experience, sit down and watch it, and what I get out of it is what I get out of it. That's about as passive as I can be.
    Yeah, watching a film is pretty passive, too much of it is too passive to me. Do you relate to that?


    When it comes to professional or academic matters then I am all about ACTIVE FIGHTING:
    Do what needs to be done to accomplish the objective at hand. That does not mean it is necessary to be a Machiavellian fucktard all the time. That's hardly the case at all. In this day and age it is way more important to build alliances, and to help others achieve their goals and to use the collaborative efforts of such partnerships to make your goals happen - just as much as it is my part to bust my ass and deliver drop dead, world class, works of excellence for anything that has my name on it. Being an army of one is a great gift. However, it does not mean that you should fight every battle alone just for the sake of doing so. That's wasteful, and not at all strategic.
    OK, I see.


    When it comes to interpersonal matters I'm all about SINCERITY:
    People are the treasure of this life. Surround yourself with good people, and be active in their lives, and they will be active in yours, and all of you will be better off because of it, and will wind up making the world a better place in the course of your daily lives. It is not possible to establish good, meaningful, trusting relationships with people unless you are of good intent, and sincere. Liars and scoundrels will expose themselves in due time, and more often than not in short order. I don't bullshit people, and I don't let people bullshit me. Life is too short for bullshit. Show up, make your case, do your best and let the good times roll.
    Okay I'm certainly not disagreeing but how was this related to the above?


    I believe I explained that above. It's all about what you are fighting for, and that will layout what options make sense in your quest for achieving as such.
    Any additional clarifications needed on this, please let me know.
    Yes I would like additional clarification, do you see your 7-ness in that? Where you wrote about "ACTIVE FIGHTING". How do you see 7 in it? Or would you say it's something else?


    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Thanks.
    You're quite welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    So do you ponder these dreams pretty regularly?
    First, I guess we need to agree on what we are considering "dreams" to be in the context of this conversation.

    In simplest terms, I think of them in terms of:
    - Things I'd like to do, as in experience in real life...
    - Things I'd like to accomplish...
    - Options I'd like to have in the next 1, 2, or 5 years of my life...

    - things like that.

    So, if the above is my from the hip definition of what dreams are to me, then how often do I ponder them?
    Mostly these thoughts come to me at times when the many things I seem to always be doing at once begin to "spin down" - and there is slack in my schedule, and thus in my consciousness.
    NOTE: I am not one who tends to be at rest, but at this point in my life I understand the purpose of rest, and the need for me to have it at reasonable intervals in order to keep the vortex that is my life sustainable and enjoyable.
    When things slow down I think about how I wish for things to be when they rev up again, in a number of contexts.
    That way - I am focused on those outcomes - if even but subliminally, and thus engaged in making them happen.
    Of course for things that have an obviously high priority - those will be worked on actively, and consciously...

    Of course, such thoughts can be forced into one's consciousness if events of significance occur unexpectedly, and require such contemplation, but I'm talking above from the perspective of things within my own locus of control.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    So are you trying to say you are very much capable of prolonged anticipation with more mental activity associated with it, you just learned not to care?
    Mmmm - I don't know if that's it.
    If thoughts/ideas/feelings don't resonate at or above a certain threshold for me to consider them a dream/future aspiration then they don't really register with me, and I don't contemplate them further.
    Perhaps I'm not clear as to what you mean by "prolonged anticipation?"
    I don't really identify with anticipation, as I feel it more often than not leads to overthinking things, and allowing unrealistic expectations to manifest.
    If I commit to trying to make something happen, then I go for it, and if turns out as I planned, I am happy, and if it doesn't - I learn from the experience and move on.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    I relate to that


    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Ah eh I guess you are totally 7 :P
    Yes indeed, except for my 8-wing and my Sx/So.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Yeah, watching a film is pretty passive, too much of it is too passive to me. Do you relate to that?
    Yes, I can barely sit still. Seriously.
    A film was as generic an example as I could think of to quickly communicate that point...

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    OK, I see.
    10-4...

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    Okay I'm certainly not disagreeing but how was this related to the above?
    Simple. Interpersonal relationships are not something I consider to be within the realm of things that conquest is warranted for.
    Introducing yourself to someone and making effort to get to know them out of genuine interest is of an example of acting out of good intention and sincerity.
    However, introducing yourself to someone in the hopes of acquiring wealth/influence/etc out of your relations with them while feigning genuine interest is deceitful.

    I have no issues with anyone approaching another person and stating up front that they have an interest in establishing a business/politically motivated relationship with them - if that is what they want to do, and they state it up front. That's not deceitful in my book. If it's done incorrectly it will appear sleazy and slimy nonetheless. However if the pitch makes sense to both parties then things will likely work out.

    So, in my opinion, systematically manipulating another person for reasons of accomplishing an objective of some kind is not appropriate. It's sleazy.

    There are things in this life that warrant kicking ass and taking names.
    And there are things in this life that warrant putting one's best forward and committing to the same going forward.
    I know where I draw the line between the two, and I don't confuse my thoughts or actions in my relations with either.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Yes I would like additional clarification, do you see your 7-ness in that? Where you wrote about "ACTIVE FIGHTING". How do you see 7 in it? Or would you say it's something else?
    Yes, I see a lot 7-ness in that actually, but the mode of pursuit, and my ardent standpoint on things is likely an expression of 8.

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    Thanks again
    Absolutely, any time.
    Feel free to ask whatever else comes to mind.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post

    Also, 7s are an anxiety type, meaning they use their minds to navigate uncertainties, in this case, their inner worlds. Naturally, this is going to lead to a more intellectual stance, and planning is going to be one of their ways of coping with inner turmoil. It can be literal planning about the "real" world, or it can be an escape into the world of imagination. Either way, the imagination is engaged in planning for something better, but the nature of that engagement will vary depending on their cognitive bias.
    Sanjuro, this is excellent! I didn't read your post before I wrote mine but yeah...this is spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    First, I guess we need to agree on what we are considering "dreams" to be in the context of this conversation.

    In simplest terms, I think of them in terms of:
    - Things I'd like to do, as in experience in real life...
    - Things I'd like to accomplish...
    - Options I'd like to have in the next 1, 2, or 5 years of my life...

    - things like that
    Yes that's fine.


    Mostly these thoughts come to me at times when the many things I seem to always be doing at once begin to "spin down" - and there is slack in my schedule, and thus in my consciousness.
    Do you get anxious then?


    Perhaps I'm not clear as to what you mean by "prolonged anticipation?"
    What @Redbone said in this thread earlier, posts #6 and #9.


    Yes indeed, except for my 8-wing and my Sx/So.
    Okay and originally how did you decide on 7 for yourself?


    10-4...
    What? :o


    Simple. Interpersonal relationships are not something I consider to be within the realm of things that conquest is warranted for.
    OK, I see.


    Yes, I see a lot 7-ness in that actually, but the mode of pursuit, and my ardent standpoint on things is likely an expression of 8.
    What's the 7-ness in it then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Do you get anxious then?
    I honestly can't say that me getting anxious is a norm whenever such times of life planning naturally seem to occur.

    But the reality is, I'm human, and some things do make me anxious from time to time.

    If I had to guess as to what those things might be I really couldn't give you anything more accurate than a categorical definition, and that would be "anything that pops out of nowhere and threatens to wreak havoc on the stability of the family life I've worked so hard to create and maintain for my wife and kids."

    Let's face it, I'm a 7, I'm a 7w8, I'm a 7w8 Sx/So - and I've got a SERIOUS wild side - and so all that has been allowed to express itself at this point in my life, and I've recognized those things as MY NATURE, but evolved far past the point where I ever thought they were my PURPOSE or my DESTINY. I'm totally at peace with my nature; I love it in fact - it's part of what makes me who I am, but I'll not let it control me - or cause harm to those I love. Maturity and experience allows all that you are to find their place within you, to be at peace, and allow you to live your life in comfort and success.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    What @Redbone said in this thread earlier, posts #6 and #9.
    I totally get what Redbone is saying in posts #6 and #9.
    As @Sanjuro said - everyone's implementation is different.

    My modus operandi is simple. I do the best I can at whatever it is I'm doing, and I have fun doing it. I do that ALL DAY, EVERY DAY. In the course of all this you bet I plug in whatever I want/need to make it all worth it for me. No one else is going to! And so because of this mindset, and my consistent implementation of it, I honestly believe that I've been able to factor out alot of the anxiolytic feelings experienced by 7s; feelings that I did feel alot more often when I was younger than I do now. When I was younger, like most people. I didn't know myself as well as I do now, and I didn't understand what the common (and also most severe) stressors of life were. But now I do.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not without anxiousness, but I simply can't express when it affects me in a pattern of some kind related to my levels of activity, or thoughts about each day. If it comes to me later I'll reply as such, but I'm simply drawing a blank on this right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Okay and originally how did you decide on 7 for yourself?
    (1) I took two different Enneagram tests at two different points in my life, and scored 7 the first time, and 7w8 the second time.

    (2) I read the E7, E8, and E6 type descriptions at great length and in detail and realized that E7 was the decription that fit me best of all, however I also recognized I had a good dash of E8 in me.

    (3) Over time I found enough material to lock-in 7w8 as my E-type; the Sx/So were found along the way also...

    (4) Also, in the spirit of full disclosure, I was born with a "7w8 Sx/So" tattoo on my ass. Just kidding.

    (5) On a more serious note, my Dad is an ESTJ 8w7 - and I'm alot like him, but very much so my own person.


    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    What? :o
    I said:
    When it comes to professional or academic matters then I am all about ACTIVE FIGHTING:
    Do what needs to be done to accomplish the objective at hand. That does not mean it is necessary to be a Machiavellian fucktard all the time. That's hardly the case at all. In this day and age it is way more important to build alliances, and to help others achieve their goals and to use the collaborative efforts of such partnerships to make your goals happen - just as much as it is my part to bust my ass and deliver drop dead, world class, works of excellence for anything that has my name on it. Being an army of one is a great gift. However, it does not mean that you should fight every battle alone just for the sake of doing so. That's wasteful, and not at all strategic."


    Then you said:
    "OK, I see."


    Then I said:
    "10-4"



    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    What's the 7-ness in it then?
    Here's the Type 7 description from the Enneagram Institute's page. The reason I like it as a generic frame of reference for 7s is that it points out a wide variety of the predispositions 7s are typically noted to have - both one's most expect, but also those that are just as relevant but that don't stick out in most people's minds when they think of 7s becasue they don't fit the "E7 Wild Child" stereotype.

    In the description below I bolded the words/traits that are indeed those of 7s, but that I think are overlooked more often than not considering the reputation 7s typically have for being gregarious fun-loving people.

    And when reading the bolded words below, please consider this summary of them: To be a person with any degree of freedom, have the ability to acquire things, to engage in a variety of experiences, and to focus one's talents on worthwhile goals most often necessitates being gainfully employed. Being gainfully employed requires consistently exhibiting responsibility of one or more varieties and applying one's talents to profitable undertakings. These are not typically the accomplishments of scatterred, frustrated party animals. Although 7s who are gainfully employed have in many ways the "fuel supply" for them to recognize their heart's desires, they are better yet served when they INTEGRATE their NEEDS with their OBLIGATIONS. My career is very challenging, I am busy to a terrifying degree by most people's standards, BUT over the years I have found a way to apply my skills to ENDEAVORS of PURPOSE and to use them during my work in ways that are FUN.

    Enneagram Ring 7 - The Enthusiast

    FROM: http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/typeseven.asp

    The Busy, Variety-Seeking type:
    Spontaneous, Versatile, Acquisitive, and Scattered...

    Type Seven in Brief

    Sevens are extroverted, optimistic, versatile, and spontaneous.
    Playful, high-spirited, and practical, they can also misapply their many talents, becoming over- extended, scattered, and undisciplined.
    They constantly seek new and exciting experiences, but can become distracted and exhausted by staying on the go.
    They typically have problems with impatience and impulsiveness.

    At their Best: they focus their talents on worthwhile goals, becoming appreciative, joyous, and satisfied.

    Basic Fear:
    Of being deprived and in pain

    Basic Desire:
    To be satisfied and content—to have their needs fulfilled

    Enneagram Seven with a Six-Wing: "The Entertainer"
    Enneagram Seven with an Eight-Wing: "The Realist"

    Key Motivations:
    Want to maintain their freedom and happiness...

    ...to avoid missing out on worthwhile experiences,

    ...to keep themselves excited and occupied,

    ...to avoid and discharge pain.

    <--------------END 7 TYPE DESCRIPTION--------------------------->

    A therapist I worked with years ago while learning to manage my ADHD asked me:
    "Alex, what do you consider fun?"

    - to which I answered -

    "To me, FUN is a MINDSET. I have fun doing almost anything each and every day. When I go shopping for groceries - I have fun. When I mow my yard and do landscaping each weekend - I have fun. When I am at the office working with 20 different people under a tight deadline - I have fun. I do EVERYTHING in a way that is FUN to ME."



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    @Sanjuro - your post is AWESOME.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    ...Your mind doesn't have to be scattered between ideas to be 7y. The key is glutting on things you find fascinating--for 7s, they want as many of these lil experiences as possible. They are mental fascinations and plans as much as experiences in the physical world. Obviously, your cognitive preferences will dictate how you focus this.
    +1,000 - Perfectly stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    I think, again, you're suggesting differences in cognition here, rather than differences between 7 and 8. Users of functions often feel overwhelmed by using their opposite preference--for example, Ne-users feel like their overly ruminating when they use Ni, and Ni-users feel like their mind is exploding when they use Ne.
    Another excellent point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    Many 7 descriptions, likewise, have an ENxP bias, which may be causing some confusion.
    I have to check this out; I never picked up on that but I'm not entirely familiar with an ENFP type description either. Thanks for pointing this out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    Also, 7s are an anxiety type, meaning they use their minds to navigate uncertainties, in this case, their inner worlds.
    This is great. For years I was emotionally under-developed, and I attributed most of that to being an ESTP. Now that you point out the facet as such that is 7-related, it makes huge amounts of sense. In my case I had two emotional deficiencies, ESTP, and 7 -

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    Naturally, this is going to lead to a more intellectual stance, and planning is going to be one of their ways of coping with inner turmoil. It can be literal planning about the "real" world, or it can be an escape into the world of imagination.
    Yes, absolutely. Control is an illusion, but we feel better when we identify objectives that will be satisfying to achieve, and then plot a course to accomplish them. This does not create control, it creates a sensation of "comfort."

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    Either way, the imagination is engaged in planning for something better, but the nature of that engagement will vary depending on their cognitive bias.
    Please write a book. Seriously!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    It's not. There are Ne-dom 2s, 3s, 4s, 6s, 7s, and 8s. There are Se-users of the same type. Correlating cognitive functions with enneatypes is a terrible idea and I frankly disregard much of what Naranjo (or any author) says on this topic.
    Agreed, my mind gets bent out of shape upon reading such things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    Enneagram is psychological underpinnings. Cognitive Functions are mental reasoning and perceptional processes.
    I love the way you stated the above, and would like to put it in my footer, citing you of course.



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    MBTI -> (E) 77.14% | (i) 22.86% ; (S) 60% | (n) 40% ; (T) 72.22% | (f) 27.78% ; (P) 51.43% | (j) 48.57%
    BIG 5 -> Extroversion 77% ; Accommodation 60% ; Orderliness 62% ; Emotional Stability 64% ; Open Mindedness 74%

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    The way I understand 7 in general is "more more more". It runs - quite literally - on the fear of deprivation. At its simplest origin it could be understood to be derived from the fear of hunger and thirst. e7 is the self-protection pattern which runs from "not having access to" and celebrates the self as expansiveness, variety, novelty, and spontaneity, mistaking the inability to acquire "more" as a restriction of self. The process of acquisition makes the 7 feel comforted, easing the fear of deprivation for just a moment. But it doesn't work, because the fear of deprivation is something that has to be settled from within, just like all of the enneatype fears - once the 7 realizes there are other things out there they might need access to, the drive to acquire comes rushing back. So e7 becomes the glutton, seeking to cure their inner panic through constant acquisition.

    What is acquired could be anything outside the self - a new plan, a song, a theory, a feeling, food, drink, drugs. For many 7s it is experiences - skydiving, bungee jumping, world travel, and so on. It's why 7 and ExxP are so related, because it's all about being open to the external world, rushing towards it and pulling it into the self for fear that you might lose it all otherwise. 7s always are running ahead of themselves, thinking about the next thing to pull into themselves while still in the context of the last. That's part of why the acquisition always fails - because 7's fear drives them to push forward towards "more", they struggle to feel satisfaction with the current acquisition. Which is ironic, because what they are ultimately seeking is satisfaction with the current moment. But the more 7 pushes into the future, the less they have to think about their current satisfaction, so they can live in a state of always making their satisfaction contingent on the promise of the next thing, thus avoiding pain in real time.

    Edit, adding - I think the idea of what I'm saying is sound but please let me know if it's tinted by 6. I've tried to grasp it "purely" but it's hard to remove oneself from one's perspective.
    Last edited by skylights; 01-23-2014 at 10:26 PM.

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    I can relate to this "sin" through the feeling of when you visit a new country or town and you feel this strong craving to see everything within the time limit, and you feel a sense of great loss when you don't have time for that little historical museum or that lesser-known castle and to make yourself feel better you promise yourself that you are definitely coming back some time in this life to visit them all. It's a panicky energy that drives you to want everything just for the sake of having done it, so I think "gluttony" describes it pretty well.
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