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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    what does 'existential anxiety' mean to you?

    not just by definition, but does it resonate in a personal way? why?
    It doesn't particularly resonate with me, unless you mean feeling like reality isn't real and everything is meaningless. But I only really feel that way when my bad trip experiences surface. (For the record I haven't had a ton of those- just enough to freak me out a little.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    I actually would have been somewhat surprised if my NFJ description resonated much to an e6 CP. (As I've told @Starry before, she seems more ENFJ to me precisely because of what I explained in the post she quoted above- I'm going to admit, I wondered if that's why my post resonated more than anything to do with e6ness.)

    I think both have that "palpable wall" mentioned in the other thread, and I do think being e6 pushes Pe dom/aux to have Pi-ish tendencies- but I do think what I was describing was an NFJ thing. NFPs are more detached, generally. [Of course, what I'm seeing in Starry may very well be e6 influence on ENFP. ]

    It's late but I fear if I don't say this now I'll forget. In case it is/was confusing in any way...I'm not making a comparison between Ni and counterphobia. That description/post of yours however I relate to extraordinarily well and am interested in understanding why. What you describe is...well...precisely what occurs for me when I react. My experience is: I know there is something wrong...and I know that no one is going to see the map if I were to try and explain it. And so any kind of reasoning with people is out the window at that point in my mind and so I go into destruction mode and I will kick until I believe I've kicked down what needs to be kicked down (or I completely exhaust myself but most of the time I believe I can break things up enough with merely a couple of blows.) And I know people that don't see things the way I do are thinking "wtf, why is Starry...?" <-And I don't really give a shit because I know what I'm doing.

    I'm trying to be very honest about this process.

    Why am I like this? I do not believe I'm ENFJ. Do I make high use of Ni? Umm...I don't know how to look at this really. Is Ni its own function or is Intuition on an introverted/extroverted continuum? Is it because I was born into a crazy Ni family and needed to learn how to use this function in order to fulfill my destiny and become crazy just like them? <-okay I'm totally kidding haha...but I needed to do something in order to understand them that's for sure.

    I'm just interested in understanding this all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    what does 'existential anxiety' mean to you?

    not just by definition, but does it resonate in a personal way? why?
    What does existential anxiety mean to me? Idk, a mini-crisis of anxiety stemming from a question that has no answers? Like a philisophical anxiety. "How did we get here?" Etc. Then feeling unease about not having definiteness.

    I don't really know but I know that it doesn't resonate with me in terms of being CP, if that's the definition I'm going with.

    What's your definition? Maybe I could connect better with it then?

    Why? Because with reacting I don't think much is outside my realm of influence. I would be reacting because something *can* be done...there may be a lot of contingencies built in, but it's not out of my hands, so to speak. (Whether or not all contingencies fall into place is another matter).

    I think existential anxiety has a built in distance between what can be known and what can be done.

    So, I see you relating them on that level but that term doesn't give me any real resonation.
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    My experience is: I know there is something wrong...and I know that no one is going to see the map if I were to try and explain it.

    And so any kind of reasoning with people is out the window at that point in my mind and so I go into destruction mode and I will kick until I believe I've kicked down what needs to be kicked down (or I completely exhaust myself but most of the time I believe I can break things up enough with merely a couple of blows.) And I know people that don't see things the way
    @Starry

    I can relate to this, fwiw. Could this be the product of a cp6 wing? I think it could. Not sure if that wing backs up Fi in a defensive way, right?

    Like, your values and thoughts are YOU.

    Mine are mine. But while our thoughts/values are individual, very different between what steps on our toes, right?

    The reactions to them stepped toes may be CP in expression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post


    ENTJ can have a naturally aggressive style of communication but it's the sureness in what they are saying, even if they may be just "stating the facts as they see it" that can just hit that CP6 button. Immediately, they think "No that's not correct/You don't have all the facts to say that yet/You aren't leaving room for the other POV/How can you know/ etc. Long story short, you may be unknowingly pushing their buttons. Or your natural interaction style may do that as well. [/B]

    Why ?
    I was rised by 6w7 father, 7w6 mother, 6w7 grandmother and education syetem that heavily favours head type apprach. But eventually I admited to myself that this doesn't work for me and that I am 8w9 that is completely in 5w6 Sp mode, in order that I don't have to listen to the paranoia talk and deal with all those pointless reactive sceenes and random data. Also that was a good way to camouflage myself in my environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    Why ?
    I was rised by 6w7 father, 7w6 mother, 6w7 grandmother and education syetem that heavily favours head type apprach. But eventually I admited to myself that this doesn't work for me and that I am 8w9 that is completely in 5w6 Sp mode, in order that I don't have to listen to the paranoia talk and deal with all those pointless reactive sceenes and random data. Also that was a good way to camouflage myself in my environment.
    I don't understand your question fully. More specifically, where you need me to expand from the quoted post. Can you give more info?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    I like your "palpable wall" example
    I'm pretty sure that's actually yours! (From that other thread, I'd responded to a post where you'd used it.) But yeah, it's very apt.

    and the Pe to have Pi ish tendencies. I think this is where overlap can be seen but again, I'm really wondering if you didn't inadvertently shed some light on NFJ CP ness.

    Do you have experience with CP xNFJ's to share your experiences with as far as differences or similarities?
    In the post @Starry quoted, I was trying to describe (as I perceive it) an internal reaction that seems specific to NFJs. For the purpose of helping highlander come up with questions that might parse out the INFJs. I'd not built it on experience of e6 CP NFJs per se, I'm not sure I know any all that well outside of possibly being w6 myself. I'm going on what I've observed tends to 'hook' or shenpa (on phone, can't link explanation for shenpa but it's worth googling) NFJ brethren.

    I mean, ALL people/types have hooks. The condition of having one's limbic system firing off before the conscious mind knows why it's happening is universal. (There have been studies, science is with me on this.) But I think it would be a valid theory to say the kind of stimuli that hooks us might be type related.

    Starry- I can't say with much certainty, but it *seems* to me like the thing that hooks NFPs is more about expressed judgments. Like, the limbic system causes a strong reaction when external values of <whatever> don't match internal values? My threshold for trying to type out ideas on tiny shitty phone keypad & screen has run out- gonna hope that makes sense for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    I don't understand your question fully. More specifically, where you need me to expand from the quoted post. Can you give more info?

    The question is quite simple: Why is ENTJ style of communication likely to push buttons of CP 6 ? (everything else in my post i just simplistic framework of why I ask)

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    This is how I feel about counterphobic 6w5s and their testing. Oh god, the testing.



    Yeah. Even sometimes with the phobic too. This would make for a good thread unto itself.
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    @Starry
    You can never splain to an eNFJ 6w5cp why they're the way they are.

    Remember when it comes to perceptive functions:
    Introversion: focusing on how the outer event affects you.
    Extroversion: interacting with the outer event. You are consumed by what's outside of you.
    everybody has gone through something that has changed them in a way that they could never go back to the person they once were
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