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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    *also has a 2 in my tritype*

    I think people have problems with 2s/ESFJs because they seem them as emotionally manipulative, but really this is only when they're unhealthy and if they are it's definitely not entirely conscious. My mom says I'm manipulative sometimes because I withhold affection from her when I don't get what I want but it's not like I consciously do it - pouting is just something I naturally do when I don't get my way. There's no real end goal to it in my mind. The same with 2s, chances are they're probably unaware when someone feels like they're being manipulated. But deep down the end goal is to feel loved.

    My mom is a 2w3 and she goes to visit my grandpa at the nursing home everyday. She's nice to everyone there and acts as friendly as possible. She says it's because she feels bad that some of them never get any visitors, but I can definitely see she also does it to feel good about herself because she always brings up how the old people compliment her. But even if she's not aware of it I think she has mostly good intentions. I think when 2s become dependent on that positive feedback to the point where they seem clingy is when it gets bad.
    Yeah I see where you're coming from, I think it's a little judgemental to just clump people up like that and assume majority of 2s will be manipulative in some way. I did have to really think about it when I read the profile for e2s and I could pin point times where I may have unknowingly been helpful in order to get a reaction/generate a thought from someone else, or to make myself feel better. But the way I see it it's almost natural that when someone helps out you subconsciously want to make yourself feel good because you feel like a good person, that however doesn't mean that's the only reason you're doing it, it's almost like a bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    @Giggly is the only survivor

    Im so lonely. Welp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Im so lonely. Welp.
    us 2-fixers can stick around for support!
    7w6 - 2w3 - 8w7 sx/so

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    Welp *pat*

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    2-fixer reporting for support duties

    i feel like e2 gets a really bad reputation because of its unhealthy characteristics. i kinda think its like the SFJ(mom)/STJ(dad) thing. a lot of female stereotypes reflect unhealthy 2 behavior.

    for that reason, i have felt like it was really uncool to have a 2 fix. but i really think more than anything it helps me appreciate the good things about it the more i learn, and might even help me keep the negative parts in check.

    so, go @Showbread and the rest of the 2-Cru!
    You hem me in -- behind and before;
    you have laid your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.
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    Type 2 is a really misunderstood type in general, people often mistaking traits that are actually more applicable on enneagram 9 than 2 for 2ish traits. Also, I think the title of the type is quite misleading because not every 2 is actually a helper or focused on helping. Rather, 2s desire to be loved and will present an image that they think is going to make them feel loved by others, often at the expense of downplaying their own needs and desires. Both 2s and 3s can therefore be quite chameleon-esque in nature, because of how they will adopt to the needs of the environment in order to present the image they think is the most ideal. 2s can therefore be difficult to spot, because they may present an image that is not necessarily helper-like or altruistic at all. This is why uauthors such as Naranjo and Chestnut have focused more on describing 2s as seducers, though I think when doing that they exaggerate the sexual instinct in the description, just like how the helper exaggerates self preservation. The point is that 2s will do anything to shape themselves in such a way that makes them think that they will gain the love and attention of the othe. Not every 2 is going to be selfless though I'd argue that most do have an ego-ideal of being self-sacrificing and extremely giving of themselves, a lot of, look at how much I give you, now I also expect you to reciprocate me in return.

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