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    “Be soft. Do not let the world make you hard. Do not let pain make you hate. Do not let the bitterness steal your sweetness. Take pride that even though the rest of the world may disagree, you still believe it to be a beautiful place.”

    "Genius is to carry the spirit of the child into old age, which means never losing your enthusiasm."
    You hem me in -- behind and before;
    you have laid your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.
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    Okay starry that makes sense I think. I think the things I was discussing are just more likely normal growing pains of a young adult...I guess.

    Or perhaps my sort of hippyish upbringing is still enabling my mindset today. I can't be sure if there's anything wrong with it because I take issue with " the world" trying to tell me to get in line or do things a certain way. I mean fuck em right?

    I was taught to chase my passions in this life and I intend to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    Okay starry that makes sense I think. I think the things I was discussing are just more likely normal growing pains of a young adult...I guess.
    Or perhaps my sort of hippyish upbringing is still enabling my mindset today. I can't be sure if there's anything wrong with it because I take issue with " the world" trying to tell me to get in line or do things a certain way. I mean fuck em right?
    I was taught to chase my passions in this life and I intend to do so.
    I had a hippie upbringing as well, but I said "fuck it, I want money"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    “Life will break you. Nobody can protect you from that. And living alone won't either, for solitude will also break you with its yearning. You have to love. You have to feel. It is the reason you are here on earth. You are here to risk your heart. You are here to be swallowed up. And when it happens that you are broken, or betrayed, or left, or hurt, or death brushes near, let yourself sit by an apple tree and listen to the apples falling all around you in heaps, wasting their sweetness.

    Tell yourself you tasted as many as you could.”

    -Louise Erdrich
    This is just... really beautiful
    Rock'n'roll heart, rock'n'roll soul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly View Post
    This is just... really beautiful
    Excellent...a new recruit to share her wisdom. I'm so glad you have arrived Polly! And I'm very thankful you commented here because I have been meaning to say that despite appearances I'm no where near being done with this thread. I am merely taking an intermission as I ponder @Halla74 's unbelievably-awesome contribution which I'm so grateful for (thank you so much Halla.)
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    Default ...stand in the center of the fire with me and not shrink back.

    The Invitation
    by Oriah Mountain Dreamer


    It doesn't interest me what you do for a living
    I want to know what you ache for
    and if you dare to dream of meeting your heart's longing.

    It doesn't interest me how old you are
    I want to know if you will risk looking like a fool
    for love
    for your dreams
    for the adventure of being alive.

    It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon...
    I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow
    if you have been opened by life's betrayals
    or have become shriveled and closed
    from fear of further pain.

    I want to know if you can sit with pain
    mine or your own
    without moving to hide it
    or fade it
    or fix it.

    I want to know if you can be with joy
    mine or your own
    if you can dance with wildness
    and let the ecstasy fill you to the tips of your
    fingers and toes
    without cautioning us to
    be careful
    be realistic
    to remember the limitations of being human.

    It doesn't interest me if the story you are telling me
    is true.
    I want to know if you can
    disappoint another
    to be true to yourself.
    If you can bear the accusation of betrayal
    and not betray your own soul.
    If you can be faithless
    and therefore trustworthy.

    I want to know if you can see Beauty
    even when it is not pretty
    every day.
    And if you can source your own life
    from its presence.

    I want to know if you can live with failure
    yours and mine
    and still stand on the edge of the lake
    and shout to the silver of the full moon,
    "Yes."

    It doesn't interest me
    to know where you live or how much money you have.
    I want to know if you can get up
    after a night of grief and despair
    weary and bruised to the bone
    and do what needs to be done
    to feed the children.

    It doesn't interest me who you know
    or how you came to be here.
    I want to know if you will stand
    in the center of the fire
    with me
    and not shrink back.

    It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom
    you have studied.
    I want to know what sustains you
    from the inside
    when all else falls away.

    I want to know if you can be alone
    with yourself
    and if you truly like the company you keep
    in the empty moments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    The Invitation
    by Oriah Mountain Dreamer


    It doesn't interest me what you do for a living
    I want to know what you ache for
    and if you dare to dream of meeting your heart's longing.

    It doesn't interest me how old you are
    I want to know if you will risk looking like a fool
    for love
    for your dreams
    for the adventure of being alive.

    It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon...
    I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow
    if you have been opened by life's betrayals
    or have become shriveled and closed
    from fear of further pain.

    I want to know if you can sit with pain
    mine or your own
    without moving to hide it
    or fade it
    or fix it.

    I want to know if you can be with joy
    mine or your own
    if you can dance with wildness
    and let the ecstasy fill you to the tips of your
    fingers and toes
    without cautioning us to
    be careful
    be realistic
    to remember the limitations of being human.

    It doesn't interest me if the story you are telling me
    is true.
    I want to know if you can
    disappoint another
    to be true to yourself.
    If you can bear the accusation of betrayal
    and not betray your own soul.
    If you can be faithless
    and therefore trustworthy.

    I want to know if you can see Beauty
    even when it is not pretty
    every day.
    And if you can source your own life
    from its presence.

    I want to know if you can live with failure
    yours and mine
    and still stand on the edge of the lake
    and shout to the silver of the full moon,
    "Yes."

    It doesn't interest me
    to know where you live or how much money you have.
    I want to know if you can get up
    after a night of grief and despair
    weary and bruised to the bone
    and do what needs to be done
    to feed the children.

    It doesn't interest me who you know
    or how you came to be here.
    I want to know if you will stand
    in the center of the fire
    with me
    and not shrink back.

    It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom
    you have studied.
    I want to know what sustains you
    from the inside
    when all else falls away.

    I want to know if you can be alone
    with yourself
    and if you truly like the company you keep
    in the empty moments.
    This really touches me deeply. These questions are what everyone should ask their own selves and then realize what kind of life they live. Most of all...If they are truly and really alive. If the things they fight for are not just one meaningless grain of sand, or if they are the building stones of our sand houses lives. The values of simple and natural life seem to be so overlooked and yet they are the most beautiful and the only true ones.
    Rock'n'roll heart, rock'n'roll soul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    I'm not quite sure what came over me yesterday but every time I attempted to continue on with what I had started in this thread... a great deal of emotion would sweep over me and my eyes would fill tears. Happy, emo tears... but still tears that caused a couple people to look at me funny at Starbucks haha

    I just shared with another e7 member earlier today that I had arrived here (to this forum) a mess. My life having crumbled to the ground for so many reasons that were truly beyond my control... but for reasons that were made substantially worse by way of 'e7 unawareness.' I was out of touch with my thoughts and feelings. I was unknowingly ignoring all problems and potential problems. Basically, I was perpetually riding the *wave of optimism*... waiting for my 'happily ever after' to arrive.

    ^^And it's not like I've lived the kind of simple, peaceful life I imagine one would need to live in order to have the luxury of such immaturity and immature thought. To the contrary I've had many hardships in my time...I've had many opportunities to adjust my thinking and exist in the collective reality. It's just that I'm stubborn... I have a bit of the *fight* in me... And there was just no way in hell I was giving-up on *the dream.* I was a good-hearted, loving person...and from what I understood... automatically entitled to Life becoming what I wanted it to be...and not the other way around - of course not. It would never have occurred to me that I become the best of what Life wanted me to be.

    And I was starting to get a little anxious frankly...a little pissed-off here and there. Life sure seemed to be taking a super long time becoming perfect. And all the while I'm being subjected to all kinds bullshit and horrors... (<-referring here to what we all see every night in the evening news.)
    So I would wonder, who missed how sensitive I am to pain and suffering and put me into this waiting room huh? Who dropped the ball on this? Who's responsible for this fuck-up? Who's to blame? I totally know myself and there's no way I'd sign up for this gig. So, something's wrong - there's been some mix-up. There must be some kind of written record of this. This sure the hell better not be some sort of bait & switch racket as I know my rights... Right?

    Still, these were merely momentary doubts pushed-out as fast as they crept-in. For the most part I was quite happy...enjoying people and life...ignoring problems...all because I could...holding a one-way-ticket to Neverland and all. Then Life decided to show me who was really in charge. <-Now, not every e7 makes it this far. To the final destination point for The Entranced e7. For some it is their Life circumstance that never takes them that far and so they continue to walk the old path. Other e7s may simply be more mindful and allowing in general and are capable of adapting and incorporating healthy aspects of e5 into their lives over time. And then there is a breed of e7 that appears to like their lessons hard. That possess a very bad combination of devotion, idealism and pig-headedness.

    These are the warriors. The e7s that are bold enough to...in spite of no promises having ever been made to them...proclaim that a Life that doesn't align perfectly with their righteous-vision of what should be clearly has no meaning. <-Balls-y these ones. And omfg...when they finally concede to Life? I'll just sum it up by saying 'expect tantrums.'

    I feel sometimes I've walked thousands of miles in the name of e5 integration...for what in reality could be likened to a few steps to the otherside of a small room. And I don't know if this is just me or not. The ideal for me would be to save others the journey...but perhaps it is the case that everyone must walk thousands of miles in order to come full-circle... And then head out on the new path. If anything though...I might have something helpful to say and thought to start this thread. If this thread is to be longer than a couple of posts before it's forgotten by me in favor of threads on 'soaking your penis' or 'beefy 10s' I'll let you know right now that Starry will need help. And you can help by sharing your e7 enlightenment...whatever it is...quotations, poems, personal stories, what makes you strong, music, whether or not you like pizza (there's no off-topic in an e7 thread), e5 integration 'best practices', etc....with others here.

    edit: And if you are currently or have ever in the past sold snowcones as your profession...I'd like you to really absorb the contents of this post.
    According to Confucious, "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."
    At 17, I am fairly new to my journey.
    Along the way, however, I have already seen great injustices committed by my fellow man.
    I do not understand why somebody would relish the pain of another.
    It occurred to me by sitting by a creek near my country home that perhaps my pain is from the deprivations of my childhood—I had no father, save a few abusive men, and I was raised without celebrations.
    I believe that true truth lies on the road—so many cultures exist on this sphere that at least one of them has to have gotten it right.
    For now, my journey continues with finding new employment and continuing my high school training, and starting my training at pharmacy technician school.
    At times, I worry about my level of competence, as I am often criticized.

    That's all that's on my mind for now…
    Thank you for the thread,
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    I say this as a reminder to myself, but this goes for everyone:

    You can achieve anything you set your mind to, and you are limited only by how dedicated you are to succeed!

    -Magic Qwan
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
    “Be soft. Do not let the world make you hard. Do not let pain make you hate. Do not let the bitterness steal your sweetness. Take pride that even though the rest of the world may disagree, you still believe it to be a beautiful place.”

    "Genius is to carry the spirit of the child into old age, which means never losing your enthusiasm."
    This struck a chord with me. The top one especially looks like what I need right now.

    Now that I think about it, I needed the second, too…it just didn't boil over yet…
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    I say this as a reminder to myself, but this goes for everyone:

    You can achieve anything you set your mind to, and you are limited only by how dedicated you are to succeed!

    -Magic Qwan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    Okay starry that makes sense I think. I think the things I was discussing are just more likely normal growing pains of a young adult...I guess.

    Or perhaps my sort of hippyish upbringing is still enabling my mindset today. I can't be sure if there's anything wrong with it because I take issue with " the world" trying to tell me to get in line or do things a certain way. I mean fuck em right?

    I was taught to chase my passions in this life and I intend to do so.
    You had one of those really good upbringings. I might need to study you for tip for my future young.

    I hope that doesn't sound too creepy…
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    and
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    I say this as a reminder to myself, but this goes for everyone:

    You can achieve anything you set your mind to, and you are limited only by how dedicated you are to succeed!

    -Magic Qwan
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