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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    riva, while I'm thinking this over will you do me a favor...


    I am of the opinion that the member Rasofy is mistyped. Are you familiar with Rasofy? (do not mention him haha. He has an emotional side and this may be upsetting to him. I don't think he would ever read the 7s thread so I do believe we're safe here.)

    He currently types as INTP 5w6 sp/sx

    ^how do you feel about this? what would you change if anything?


    I think he is an INTP. Yes I think he is quite emotional, but I don’t think that’s the reason you doubt his type do you? You probably have to mention those points.

    I see Fe in him quite a bit which might make others think he isn’t one. But I see that in ALL INTPs except for jockthemotie and stigmata. You see you can SEE your Fi at most occasions. Some Fi user said they can view their feelings as if it’s a person standing in the room with them. Although that’s obviously an exaggeration – I think – I get the picture there. It’s obviously because it’s your first two functions. Dom and Aux people can see. It does not mean you can control them and make sound decisions devoid of being overwhelmed by them but atleast you can view them.

    (Infact I think most people spend most times thinking about their second function more than the fist. The dom is your default, you don’t even think about it. This doesn’t belong here of course.)

    Now think about an IXTJ. They have plenty of Fi. They just don’t see it. They can’t negotiate on it. - I do understand Fi can’t be negotiated on but FPs have a bit more understanding of it so as to know when it’s influenzing them. It’s easier if you know about MBTI of course -. This is why IXTJs are so stubborn and undending at times. They always always tend to think that they are always right too and my goodness, teen IXTJs are the worst. Do you remember that kid (fireshield) who had a crush on a girl that he had a hard time expressing feelings for? He had a long freaking blog. He will never ever ever take advice from ANYONE although it’s obvious he is wrong. That’s Fi influenzing him without making him known.

    Likewise, INTPs have Fe as their untapped feeling function. And negativities of this function affect them quite a bit without making them known. So they think they are being rational at all times but if that Fe fucks them up here and there without informing them and they don’t see it. Others might, they don’t. And how dare others say that they are being emotional, it’s obvious for the INTP that feelings don’t influence their decisions – so they think.

    But then again you know all ^. So it might be some other reason you think he isn’t an INTP e5. You’ll have to point them out though.

    But for me he is an INTP unless someone points out something I haven’t been seeing all this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post


    I think he is an INTP. Yes I think he is quite emotional, but I don’t think that’s the reason you doubt his type do you? You probably have to mention those points.

    I see Fe in him quite a bit which might make others think he isn’t one. But I see that in ALL INTPs except for jockthemotie and stigmata. You see you can SEE your Fi at most occasions. Some Fi user said they can view their feelings as if it’s a person standing in the room with them. Although that’s obviously an exaggeration – I think – I get the picture there. It’s obviously because it’s your first two functions. Dom and Aux people can see. It does not mean you can control them and make sound decisions devoid of being overwhelmed by them but atleast you can view them.

    (Infact I think most people spend most times thinking about their second function more than the fist. The dom is your default, you don’t even think about it. This doesn’t belong here of course.)

    Now think about an IXTJ. They have plenty of Fi. They just don’t see it. They can’t negotiate on it. - I do understand Fi can’t be negotiated on but FPs have a bit more understanding of it so as to know when it’s influenzing them. It’s easier if you know about MBTI of course -. This is why IXTJs are so stubborn and undending at times. They always always tend to think that they are always right too and my goodness, teen IXTJs are the worst. Do you remember that kid (fireshield) who had a crush on a girl that he had a hard time expressing feelings for? He had a long freaking blog. He will never ever ever take advice from ANYONE although it’s obvious he is wrong. That’s Fi influenzing him without making him known.

    Likewise, INTPs have Fe as their untapped feeling function. And negativities of this function affect them quite a bit without making them known. So they think they are being rational at all times but if that Fe fucks them up here and there without informing them and they don’t see it. Others might, they don’t. And how dare others say that they are being emotional, it’s obvious for the INTP that feelings don’t influence their decisions – so they think.

    But then again you know all ^. So it might be some other reason you think he isn’t an INTP e5. You’ll have to point them out though.

    But for me he is an INTP unless someone points out something I haven’t been seeing all this time.





    I should have said that I do not doubt INTP. Well, I mean I think it's close for him. I'm thinking he's probably more ambiverted than any of us are detecting including him...but whatever. INTP or eNTP


    I think he presents with WAY too much positive outlook to truly be a 5. Vulcan is a 5...Jock is a 5...Rasofy...probably wants to be a 5 but I don't think so.


    Since we were discussing enneagram...what are your enneagram related thoughts? haha.
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    Does anyone here know how 7w8 sx/so would manifest in the different functions/types?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Invincible View Post
    Does anyone here know how 7w8 sx/so would manifest in the different functions/types?

    You've posted so many interesting things in this thread which in turn brings to the forefront of my mind my ongoing fear that my scattered self will prevent me from thinking about all the things I want to think about...discussing all the things I want to discuss...experiencing all the things I want to experience prior to stepping off this planet - so thanks dude...that's real cool of you (ha.)


    What I had been meaning to tell you is 7w8 sx/so and so/sx have a tendency to 'over-extrovert' from time to time. So instead of Se>Ti...what happens is Fe's got Ti's number...so that the functions almost start to express like Se>Fe. <-When that occurs...the individual can have a bit of a Feeler feel to them. And...depending on how tests are scored...an ESTP may even receive ESFP test results due to the fact many tests merely identify the dominant function. IOW the test identifies Se as the specific dom...but only accounts for the presence of either T or F in the aux. Unfortunately, this doesn't help you if you are over-extroverting at the time of your test because the tabulation will merely assume that F is Fi...not Fe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    This whole para is a bit confusing.
    ^^I think it's the language barrier riva because if there's one thing I know about myself it's that I make sense. I speak, and without fail the feedback I receive from others is "I understood exactly what you just said. Thank you for making things so clear with your easy to understand communication style."

    "Self-effacement" is the demonstration of modesty and humility. So when you were saying "I do have friends just very, very few" <-that's a form of self-effacement. And this ties into all of what I was describing with perfect clarity using this notion of "e7 playful". You took a playful jab at members in the photo thread...and to communicate it was all meant in fun you took a playful jab at yourself. That is the playfield of "I'm okay, you're okay." It's also why you can say things like "I'm So Cute" and no...no one's thinking *damn, riva is an arrogant bastard* People do get that you're saying that in the spirit of fun as well.

    Returning to the effacement side of things though...it is easy for 7s to take jabs at themselves...and even openly share/admit to actual flaws they possess because they've got 'money in the bank' so to speak. In what may seem ironic to some idk...but when you feel relatively good about yourself there's little to no interpersonal/social risk involved when you decide to speak satirically or genuinely about your issues and flaws. You are willing to risk what for others may be thought of as 'social embarrassment' or 'possible conflict' or 'not being taken seriously' or whatever...for a high return on your investment in multiple payouts of life-enjoyment. And you can risk for fun because you have something to fall back on. Are you out looking for things like conflict? Absolutely not. In fact, someone of your placement is trying to avoid it when you can. But regardless of what things may come... You know who you are and you are okay with that person. And at the end of the day...you know that those "okay" feelings are dependent on nothing outside of your fun-loving soul.

    ^This is not the 9 experience. 9s don't start out with a strong sense of individuality. They don't automatically have the sense of being a singular soul in a world of interesting things to think about. To the contrary, many 9s feel they are one big universal soul and spend an incredible amount of time trying to separate out who they are from who everyone else is. Doing this can cause a bit of insecurity feeling they are unprotected. That they have a sense at times that they have no boundaries and because of this may be in danger of being subject to other people's wills...pushed and pulled about by other people's clearly identified wants, needs, desires because they don't really know and how can you assert what you don't know? How can you risk when you aren't entirely sure if you can handle the return?

    Points 3-6-9 all show huge variations in expression and coping mechanisms for individuals of each type...but a common theme with 9s is a sense that they possess too much modesty...too much humility...and they'd like a little more in the way of assertive-individualism. This is why it is extraordinarily rare to hear 9s say anything negative about themselves. You won't hear them say things like "I have very, very few friends" because you're also saying "don't take what I say seriously no one else does (as evidenced by my low friend count)" <-that kind of thing is precisely the fear they are trying to rise above. They rarely, rarely joke in this way. Ixnay on the self-effacementay (<-perfect clarity.)


    Rasofy... I've never allowed myself to consider his type much...putting it out of my mind as soon as my doubt would cross it because he's my friend... and you are definitely in some sketchy territory when you start to suspect a friend is mistyped 9.

    What I'm trying to say to you though is I was legitimately asking you your thoughts on his type. This wasn't a trick question with a wrong answer as I truly don't know. I thought considering it might help you in your journey.


    There's a part of me that thinks he may in fact be a 9w1 sx strongly connected to 3 ego/image. I think sx allows him to take jabs at others. 3 keeps him from taking jabs at himself. And when he gets emotional that's just e1 self-righteousness (haha - you're welcome Rasofy... for my friendship)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Mobius View Post
    Oh Starry you don't need doubt to make a type me thread, the most important part is creating a clever title...
    Okay Dr. Mobius which title do you think I should I run with?


    “I Already Know You Can’t Type Worth A Shit”

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    Ooops sorry. Yes you are clear. That was a new word that confused me. Language barrier.

    ..but when you feel relatively good about yourself there's little to no interpersonal/social risk involved when you decide to speak satirically or genuinely about your issues and flaws.
    this is spot on. most people can take a jab at themselves under these circumstances. e3s maybe not so much.

    To the contrary, many 9s feel they are one big universal soul and spend an incredible amount of time trying to separate out who they are from who everyone else is. Doing this can cause a bit of insecurity feeling they are unprotected. That they have a sense at times that they have no boundaries and because of this may be in danger of being subject to other people's wills...pushed and pulled about by other people's clearly identified wants, needs, desires because they don't really know and how can you assert what you don't know? How can you risk when you aren't entirely sure if you can handle the return?
    I can't relate to this at all. if indeed this is an e9 thing i am obviously not a e9. i didn't know though they try to separate thelselves from everyone else. i've heard that they feel like a part of a universal soul before but only after you explained it i get it. i thought they were cool feeling like a part of it.

    if anything i feel separate. i just can't remember a single time i felt like a part of other people's will. i can think of it as a kid of course having no options and stuff but then again everyone probably has that.

    i don't feel like a part of the group doing shit because everyone else want to do things. i want to do things i might enjoy but of course takes what others need into consideration. if they are happy with it i shouldnt have much of a problem. but i think at most times i would try to do things my way.

    so going by your description i am either obviously not a e9 or a e9 with counter phobic 6 disintegration?

    if anything i feel disgusted by having to succumb to other's wills. infact i dislike my childhood a lot. i had to submit each and eveytime. i know people say childhood is the best part of their lives but i don't think i'll ever say that or let myself say that.

    You won't hear them say things like "I have very, very few friends" because you're also saying "don't take what I say seriously no one else does (as evidenced by my low friend count)" <-that kind of thing is precisely the fear they are trying to rise above.
    again i didnt know this about e9s. i though they don't even realize it. or i thought they like it that way.

    What I'm trying to say to you though is I was legitimately asking you your thoughts on his type. This wasn't a trick question with a wrong answer as I truly don't know. I thought considering it might help you in your journey.
    no way i didnt think you were tricking me. i wasn't acting defensive was I? D

    There's a part of me that thinks he may in fact be a 9w1 sx strongly connected to 3 ego/image. I think sx allows him to take jabs at others. 3 keeps him from taking jabs at himself. And when he gets emotional that's just e1 self-righteousness (haha - you're welcome Rasofy... for my friendship)
    yeah well i dont see him taking jabs at himself too much. however, i can remember when i congradulated him on going on so many dates and envies the fact that he gets laid so much he said something in the lines of 'so far i haven't slept with anyone, except for my palm or something'.

    i don't take jabs at myself either when i am feeling insecure. but i guess i do take jabs more often than he does. i could get really defensive sometimes.

    ----

    still don't know how e7s disintegrate into e1s. if it's judgy, serious, not fun, stagnant, hates everyone, etc, i can relate to all that. always thought it's me disintegrating into a 6, and my stagnant side was e9s lethargy.

    also can i not be a 7w6 sp/sx?

    when it comes to 7 vs 9, one thing is for sure, i do come across as an e7 when interacting with people - which is probably why i get typed as a e7 and never as a e9 esp on chat -, unless there is a stronger influential force. then i spend time sizing up the situation and letting that person let out his/her extroversion. that's if i like that person or if i have to tolerate him due to other reasons.

    sorry i had to highjack your thread at the moment. i am going to copy paste all these convos on my 'type me thread' later, once this is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Okay Dr. Mobius which title do you think I should I run with?


    “I Already Know You Can’t Type Worth A Shit”

    “Type Me or Eat Me”

    “Type Me You Forum Fuckhead"

    These are all excellent, but the second one is close to perfect. Its simple clear, and removes the need for posters to think beyond typing you, or eating you. Appealing to the lazy shallow nature of people is always a win.

    Alternatively you could go with a mindfuck. I propose; “Starry: The story of an ENTJ e4”
    At the time they cut me free. I was brimming with defiance. Doctors looking down on me. Breaking every law of science.
    How'd I ever end up here? A latent strain of color blindness. Then it seemed to dawn on me. Haemoglobin is the key
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    This is crazy, but after a lot of research and reflecting, I think I am actually an ENFJ 7w8/8w7 [still figuring that part out]. It fits much better than ESTP, imo. I know that ENFJs with that enneagram are like ESTPs, in the sense that they can be easily mistaken for each other when they get into Se/Fe Fe/Se loops. I found something interesting [well, a few interesting pages] on Funky MBTI Fiction about characters who are typed atypical ENFJs, whom I suspect share a similar enneagram to myself [yeah, I know health comes into it also, but hey, you'll see where I'm coming from, especially in the first example, if you read it]:

    Nick Amaro- ENFJ

    George Foyet- ENFJ

    Erasing ENFJ Stereotypes

    What do you think? Well, I think I am onto something here Do you?
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    I find type 7's very attractive!
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