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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    I'm not the best when it comes to instincts but I do relate to sx/so personalities more than sx/sp. My analogy for identifying the two is akin to angels vs demons. the sx/so's are aloft in the clouds and the sx/sp's are writhing in the lake of fire.
    I think sx/so is more like Lucifer thumbing his nose at God. I am invincible! I can do whatever the fuck I want! Sx/sp is more of the restless seeker who will never feel satisfied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    I think sx/so is more like Lucifer thumbing his nose at God. I am invincible! I can do whatever the fuck I want! Sx/sp is more of the restless seeker who will never feel satisfied.
    hmm, interesting. good point with the contraflow btw.

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    I think sx/so is more like Lucifer thumbing his nose at God. I am invincible! I can do whatever the fuck I want! Sx/sp is more of the restless seeker who will never feel satisfied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    I think as far as determining sx/so vs sx/sp goes, it's best to look at the differences between contra-flow and syn-flow (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tual-Stackings. I think a lot of people mistype as sx/sp, seeing their frugality and self sufficiency more as sp. Thing is, as far as flow goes, sx/so and sp/sx are more similar than sx/sp and sx/so. I actually am a pretty generous, empathetic person, which I misinterpreted as social instinct a couple of times while figuring out my stacking. The better social descriptions, however, I don't relate to at all. But I do relate to syn-flow.
    Nice post.

    I can see elements of myself in Sx/Sp and Sx/So at different times according to this chart. I'm definitely not belligerent or anti-social though. Independent, but not *anti* social. It's more.. I am compelled toward people when I want to be, and the rest of the time I want to be left alone.

    I would not say that I'm an insider though.. I'm hopelessly independent. I'm a loner, a lover, or a leader. But I'm not an outsider in the "rebellious" "belligerent" sense. It's more like I want to bring visions of my home planet to Earth and share them, and I find myself thinking independently. I'm not against the idea of adopting another's views; I am simply incapable.. I just don't work that way, I think for myself. I respect others' views and lifestyle choices even if they don't agree with me. I respect their right to exist and have their views even if they can't back them up substantially, but when someone has integrity within herself, I respect her as someone I'd like to know better, whether we agree or not. If someone agrees with me but has no integrity and just adopted their view like a sheep, I am not angry or belligerent but just simply uninterested.

    When it comes to art and music, while I'm brave enough to break boundaries and expand limits, that's not exactly my aim. Honest self-expression is all I do, whether it's banal, insane, catchy or wild. I couldn't give a fuck whether it's unique, whether this genre has been done before, or whether it's with or against a current trend. Rebelling is the same as complying; it's still letting others control you, being enslaved by their standards. Nobody can control me. I march to my own drum and have nothing to prove. This has been the case since I was a child, making my own rules with my parents and obeying the ones I saw fit. I kept a bag packed so I could run away - at age 7 or 8 - if they forced me to do something I didn't want; and there was no forcing me; but I didn't mind obeying rules I respected and understood. As an adult I'm the same - no boyfriend, social standard, or institution can control me. I have basic respect - if I'm in school I follow their rules, if I'm in someone's house I follow theirs.. I'm extremely respectful. But when it comes to my clothes, my friends, my boyfriends, my work - my choices are mine alone, regardless of what other artists are doing or what the industry wants or doesn't want. As long as it's bare, honest, and true, I'm deeply involved and you can't pry my attention from my work with a crane.

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    @Animal, if you mean insider as in social insider, I'm not either, and I don't care to be (not that I feel a need to be an outsider, either, though. I'm just indifferent). I think there's more of a merging, conflict averse element to sx/sp that isn't present in sx/so. I think it has to do with the sx/sp's motivation to reconcile inner conflict. (Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union.) The sx/sp knows how it is to feel deep conflict within and how painful it can be, so they are less likely to heap their pain on others- there's more empathy and identifying with others. Also, the desire for union would obviously make a person more conflict averse. On the other hand, sx/so is more provocative, more about smashing walls and inciting change. (Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.) I think there can be more of a us vs them or me vs them mentality in the sx/so. Life just seems to be more of a battle for the sx/so, while for the sx/sp, the battle is more internal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    @Animal, if you mean insider as in social insider, I'm not either, and I don't care to be (not that I feel a need to be an outsider, either, though. I'm just indifferent). I think there's more of a merging, conflict averse element to sx/sp that isn't present in sx/so. I think it has to do with the sx/sp's motivation to reconcile inner conflict. (Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union.) The sx/sp knows how it is to feel deep conflict within and how painful it can be, so they are less likely to heap their pain on others- there's more empathy and identifying with others. Also, the desire for union would obviously make a person more conflict averse. On the other hand, sx/so is more provocative, more about smashing walls and inciting change. (Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.) I think there can be more of a us vs them or me vs them mentality in the sx/so. Life just seems to be more of a battle for the sx/so, while for the sx/sp, the battle is more internal.
    Thank you for your poignant posts. Right now, I'm going to say that for me, Sx/Sp it is. That makes much more sense for my mentality. Indifference, and the battle within.. ftw. What is your tritype by the way?

    Btw, I want to mention that I'm not bringing this up lightly. I've studied enneagram for years, and very thoroughly this past year. I've read all the enneagram greats, debated on another forum and considered many angles. Debating my instinct isn't some idiocy based on stereotypes. So the fact that you're actually making sense to me speaks well for your posts. Once the facts are in place, I respond best to a description or distinction that evokes a feeling I can relate to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
    Thank you for your poignant posts. Right now, I'm going to say that for me, Sx/Sp it is. That makes much more sense for my mentality. Indifference, and the battle within.. ftw. What is your tritype by the way?

    Btw, I want to mention that I'm not bringing this up lightly. I've studied enneagram for years, and very thoroughly this past year. I've read all the enneagram greats, debated on another forum and considered many angles. Debating my instinct isn't some idiocy based on stereotypes. So the fact that you're actually making sense to me speaks well for your posts. Once the facts are in place, I respond best to a description or distinction that evokes a feeling I can relate to.
    Thanks for the compliments. Based on what you've written I would go with sx/sp as well for you.

    Ah... tritype. I'm not fond of it. I considered all the permutations but, seriously, the only one that wholly makes sense to me is 451. It does what I do. And maybe that's why I'm not fond, because all of that is explained without tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    Thanks for the compliments. Based on what you've written I would go with sx/sp as well for you.

    Ah... tritype. I'm not fond of it. I considered all the permutations but, seriously, the only one that wholly makes sense to me is 451. It does what I do. And maybe that's why I'm not fond, because all of that is explained without tritype.
    The way I feel, enneagram is just a theory anyway. Tritype is a theory within that theory. I can understand why tritype "confuses" people and keeps them from finding their core, so there's that argument; certainly I would advise a n00b to figure out her core before worrying about tritype.

    I can be explained with or without tritype. If someone wants to go the tritype route, then within that theory basis, I'm a clear 4-8-7. But you could argue that this is just 4w3 (w3 seems 7ish or 8ish) along with Sx/Sp (which seems id-like) and ENFP/IEE to boot. If someone wants to throw out tritype, my theory of my type works. If they want to use tritype, my theory of my tritype works. So yeah.. it's not necessary but it's a language. I figure if there's a language being spoken on a site I am on, I might as well be fluent in it. On top of that, my 8 mistype opened my eyes *so much* about myself. In the 6 months I mistyped at 8, I really dug and looked inward and grew more than I imagined I could from such a study - especially being that I'm pretty self-aware to begin with (even if I couldn't immediately match the right number to it because of needing to study enneagram more deeply). An alternate explanation for my 8-fix is that I've been an artist, musician and 'vessel through which stories emerge' all my life so it was especially easy for me to see myself "inside out" or feel my inverse. There are all sorts of angles I could take. But studying growth-patterns of both 4 and 8.. is worthwhile for me, so I personally don't discard tritype in my own self-study. But I don't need it at this point, either, and core is absolutely more important and enlightening... so.. I'm willing to 'take it or leave it.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
    The way I feel, enneagram is just a theory anyway. Tritype is a theory within that theory. I can understand why tritype "confuses" people and keeps them from finding their core, so there's that argument; certainly I would advise a n00b to figure out her core before worrying about tritype.

    I can be explained with or without tritype. If someone wants to go the tritype route, then within that theory basis, I'm a clear 4-8-7. But you could argue that this is just 4w3 (w3 seems 7ish or 8ish) along with Sx/Sp (which seems id-like) and ENFP/IEE to boot. If someone wants to throw out tritype, my theory of my type works. If they want to use tritype, my theory of my tritype works. So yeah.. it's not necessary but it's a language. I figure if there's a language being spoken on a site I am on, I might as well be fluent in it. On top of that, my 8 mistype opened my eyes *so much* about myself. In the 6 months I mistyped at 8, I really dug and looked inward and grew more than I imagined I could from such a study - especially being that I'm pretty self-aware to begin with (even if I couldn't immediately match the right number to it because of needing to study enneagram more deeply). An alternate explanation for my 8-fix is that I've been an artist, musician and 'vessel through which stories emerge' all my life so it was especially easy for me to see myself "inside out" or feel my inverse. There are all sorts of angles I could take. But studying growth-patterns of both 4 and 8.. is worthwhile for me, so I personally don't discard tritype in my own self-study. But I don't need it at this point, either, and core is absolutely more important and enlightening... so.. I'm willing to 'take it or leave it.'
    Fair enough. It's not like I'm anti-tritype or anything, I just haven't felt all that enlightened by it so I tend to not pay attention to it. But if it helps someone else out, cool. For me, the biggest things have been core + wing and instincts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    Fair enough. It's not like I'm anti-tritype or anything, I just haven't felt all that enlightened by it so I tend to not pay attention to it. But if it helps someone else out, cool. For me, the biggest things have been core + wing and instincts.
    I definitely agree that this is the biggest thing. How do you relate to your wing? Was it hard to figure out? Do you feel your 3 influence ?
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