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    I generally like this. At least it explains why I generally feel sort of cold over the "connecting to people" thing, despite the fact that it's incredibly difficult for me to feel that I have an actual connection to them because how can something that doesn't exist connect to anything. I don't think that nines actually make very deep connections to other people, unless they are at a good level of health. It also conveniently explains how I am actually a social type, as I focus quite a lot on examining the reasoning behind my various political ideology, and why I can spend about 6 hours a day in a chatroom (at a minimum). Despite the fact that I don't really have a lot of close friends and associates, and that I don't really have a large network of people on my finger tips to control.

    But yeah, I've always been obsessed with searching for "who I was" and such. I kept asking other people details about my personal life, because describing myself just comes up with a rather large blank.
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    Thanks for this, an interesting read:

    Nine: Hyperactivity
    The passion of Nines is sloth and the counterpassion is a caricature of the virtue of activity. Nines are then hyperactive, perpetually agitated and overloaded with tasks. Although they often produce quantities of work effectively, idleness is still present: these activities are practical but have the effect that the more Nines do, the more they forget themselves. This counterpassion is one of the first we observed, and we interpreted it at the time that these Nines use work and activities as a means of narcotisation (their principal defense mechanism).
    An even more subtle form of Nine's counterpassion is a hyperactive pursuit personal development. Such Nines devour books, workshops, therapists, and gurus. They profess to thirst after self-knowledge; however, they end up spinning their wheels, changing nothing.

    I do relate to that, esp in my twenties and thirties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Thanks for this, an interesting read:

    Nine: Hyperactivity
    The passion of Nines is sloth and the counterpassion is a caricature of the virtue of activity. Nines are then hyperactive, perpetually agitated and overloaded with tasks. Although they often produce quantities of work effectively, idleness is still present: these activities are practical but have the effect that the more Nines do, the more they forget themselves. This counterpassion is one of the first we observed, and we interpreted it at the time that these Nines use work and activities as a means of narcotisation (their principal defense mechanism).
    An even more subtle form of Nine's counterpassion is a hyperactive pursuit personal development. Such Nines devour books, workshops, therapists, and gurus. They profess to thirst after self-knowledge; however, they end up spinning their wheels, changing nothing.

    I do relate to that, esp in my twenties and thirties.
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    9s are a really diverse bunch in this respect. I've met some who were fairly productive and career-oriented, and others who were vagabonds or vegetable-esque.

    9-sloth is usually more like tuning out the impact of their own internal reactions to things instead of physical sloth. They're always 'okay', unless they're under excessive stress (disintegration to 6).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    9s are a really diverse bunch in this respect. I've met some who were fairly productive and career-oriented, and others who were vagabonds or vegetable-esque.

    9-sloth is usually more like tuning out the impact of their own internal reactions to things instead of physical sloth. They're always 'okay', unless they're under excessive stress (disintegration to 6).
    Yeah, it's supposed to be a laziness when it comes to personal desires, a lack of inwardness. That's why Naranjo considers them to be the most extroverted type, and why nines are seen as easy going/ go with the flow. There's an overadaptability to others. That's why there are a lot of nine politicians.

    That said, I think this is more of a social nine characteristic. I think self pres nines will focus more on inner comfort/desires, and I think depending on the mbti of the nine, this will vary widely. The sexual nine will do what the social nine does but on more of a smaller scale, overadapting to the needs of the partner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Type 9: Excerpts from Maitri
    Self-preservation Nine: Appetite
    The focus for a Self-preservation Nine is on satisfying his appetites and hungers. His laziness, in the sense that we have defined it as the passion, manifests here in the substitution of the nonessential satisfactions for those that he really needs. At the deepest level, this shows up in substituting material gratifications for those that are really spiritual. An example on a more superficial level of this substitution of the nonessential would be eating a chocolate bar when what he really needs is a nourishing meal. Also, as the word appetite suggests, Self-preservation Nines tend to overindulge, ingesting and acquiring far more than they actually need out of insecurity about receiving sustenance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naranjo's Type Nine Description
    Appetite - bigger bodies, bigger appetites. Excessive creature likeness, I eat therefore I am, I have therefore I am, I sleep therefore I am, I'm standing here therefore I am, all the ordinary facts of life get in the way of a more metaphysical level, the question of being in a way that it's erased.
    Maybe the "overly introspective 9" is actually just a different form of the SP 9? I think this is what they were going with here actually. I thought at first that it was about actual food and material things, but in reality I don't think that form of 9 is really common.
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    sloth sounds like the unhealthy version of E9

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    Quote Originally Posted by PimpinMcBoltage View Post
    Maybe the "overly introspective 9" is actually just a different form of the SP 9? I think this is what they were going with here actually. I thought at first that it was about actual food and material things, but in reality I don't think that form of 9 is really common.
    Doubt it. I expect most 9s on a site like this are more introspective than texts would suggest, at the least those who use things like Enneagram to find out more about themselves. What is the point of Enneagram if not a tool for greater introspection and self awareness, and why would a 9 who isn't interested in those things delve into it much?

    I don't like the term counter-sloth, as I see it as all part of the same thing, 9s can numb by shutting everything out, and they can also do it by introspecting without taking any action, to an outsider they can look like the same thing.

    The trap for 9s is using introspection as yet another distraction from what needs to be done, it can become a search for the deeper answer, a more real truth, a simpler answer, because once that is found things will just work better with minimal exertion, it can all be a delaying tactic from taking action and disrupting ones comfort zone.

    Personally I've never understood or even bought the claim that 9s aren't introspective, we're just prone to being intellectually lazy with what and how we introspect. We are apt to do nothing with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Thanks for this, an interesting read:

    Nine: Hyperactivity
    The passion of Nines is sloth and the counterpassion is a caricature of the virtue of activity. Nines are then hyperactive, perpetually agitated and overloaded with tasks. Although they often produce quantities of work effectively, idleness is still present: these activities are practical but have the effect that the more Nines do, the more they forget themselves. This counterpassion is one of the first we observed, and we interpreted it at the time that these Nines use work and activities as a means of narcotisation (their principal defense mechanism).
    An even more subtle form of Nine's counterpassion is a hyperactive pursuit personal development. Such Nines devour books, workshops, therapists, and gurus. They profess to thirst after self-knowledge; however, they end up spinning their wheels, changing nothing.

    I do relate to that, esp in my twenties and thirties.
    This is interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    An even more subtle form of Nine's counterpassion is a hyperactive pursuit personal development. Such Nines devour books, workshops, therapists, and gurus. They profess to thirst after self-knowledge; however, they end up spinning their wheels, changing nothing.[/INDENT]
    This is spot on. I came to this realization about 2-2.5 years ago, when I put a chunk of my self-help books on my bed and took a picture of them all.

    I won't say that I didn't change anything, but my focus on self-help and awareness was a distraction from actually making changes.

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