Interesting. You hated 6 in yourself - in many cases, I would say this indicates a disintegration point or finding your core type, because enneagram will point out what we hate in ourselves. However, 6 descriptions are especially bad and most of them turn me off, and part of my 'typing process' was ruling out every other possibility (my 8 core was hard to accept and I was in denial mode though it was staring me in the face); and I found it so hard to rule out 6 because it was so difficult to even understand what the type was about. Which descriptions did you read? ... Over time, through many descriptions, I've gathered a better understanding of the type, but to me it seems so complex. So I hesitate to say that because you've seen something you hate in the 6 descriptions, it's a necessary indicator - but it could be. I know I had that kind of reaction to 8 descriptions initially. 6 did not stand out to me until I tried to understand it; but 8 immediately stood out as the worst, most terrible, cruel type, and I thought that every asshole who ever broke my heart, hurt me, acted selfishly, etc; was an 8. Of course, all I was really seeing was the asshole inside of myself. In retrospect, none of those other people were 8s. =/
Yeah, I don't think I liked them much either... I think of it as ESFJ syndrome, it is
really hard to get the essence of the character across without being portrayed in some sort of negative light, for whatever reason - though in reality, it works just swell. I have one six in mind that is my favorite person around, but you wouldn't think so, given my habitual expressions of distaste...
Very funny, about typing everyone eight lol. I think I was the same way when I first discovered MBTI, I typed ENTP, and everyone was an ENTP - my father, my grandfather, my best friend... lol.
Are you going to do a written thread too?
Perhaps, I was thinking of making it a hybrid effort.
I think if you idealize type 9 as you have explained, and you had this reaction to 6, then core 6 is a good possibility. 9 is the integration point of 6. The testing as 8 is also very common for 6's because they are both reactive types and can have similar "bold" behavior.
Yes, that is what I was thinking as well. I'll elaborate below, responding to LeaT's post.
Interesting - I'd love to hear more about this? I have some thoughts about 5 & 8 myself, but I don't know how "objective" they really are because 8 is my core and 5 is my disintegration point as well as my head-fix. Where does 9 come in?
Perhaps, when ever I do things like this I have to be super amped up for it, otherwise it's a shoddy effort and it really shows through in my quality of work. I'll have it in mind, as a sort of case study I particularly want to explore its extension into the one wing, which I totally intended to include but for whatever reason deleted.
But how do the motivatios of enneagram 9, the passion being sloth, the holy idea being holy love and so on actually play out in your psyche? How does psychospiritual laziness play out in you, how do you relate to positive outlook, how are you slothful, how does the soul child of 3 manifest?
Hm.
I'm very content with about anything that happens. I don't set expectations, and I don't dwell on things that have passed. I have a very near-future oriented mind, I'm constantly thinking, "what do I do now?" but rarely "what will I do then?". I expect I will be able to navigate any obstacle thrown at me when the time comes, and I just kind of live jovially until it happens. Nothing is taken all that seriously, but when the time does come for work, it comes in mass bursts of productivity - I eye a "plateau" to work towards and achieve it, then fall back to lolling about on the flat surface. It is my preferred state, really, to just kind of laze about with few worries of here and there. I live on a whim.
When I was young, I would have my father tell me I couldn't go somewhere specifically so I wouldn't have to. I hated going places, hated being with people - even my closest friends - but I could not for the life of me give them a simple "no". I felt like a bad person, for not meeting their expectations. Only until recently have I developed a sense of peace with letting people know my true desires, but even then, I have more morphed myself into actually wanting to do these things rather than dream up excuses of why I can't do them. I think of it like getting your balls wet when wading out into water. If you just jump in its not so bad. It's the anticipation of action that has killed me in the past. The concept extends to work, I'm definitely a "yes man", simply because I see the alternative as socially unacceptable. I see assignments as challenges of my character, perhaps, to be taken on and surmounted.
My best friend once told me I have more shame than anyone he knows. I live as if I'm walking on others' toes, trying to find the places where I'll interfere the least with society. I don't like asking for help, thinking maybe if I do everything for myself I'll grow stronger in my abilities. I relate strongly with the ronin samurai or lone gunslinger concepts, I romanticize a strong individual core. I'm not very good at being "silly" and I'm probably boring in character, kinda rock-ish...
My interests are lone pursuits. I'm a nerd to the core, I prefer studying quantum physics or playing videogames over just about anything. Most of my hobbies focus around craft, things where I can just kind of let my mind wander as it pleases while I produce something worthwhile. I enjoy the intellectual stimulation I get from recreational drug use, such as marijuana or mushrooms. I feel my scope of thought is expanded from the hard sciences into more 'human' subjects, such as sociology.
Possibly the largest concept I've been drawn to in life is war, battle, and loss of human life. The latter is what really gets me - seeing figures in the hundreds of thousands, relating it to my tame, worry-free existence and how many have been unfortunate enough to born into something different. I view it as the maximization of human suffering, which sucks, because it is also the one user-generated facet we can all control. I break down during really good war films, usually as the credits roll. I can't remember crying for any other genre of film.
I don't know how far off base I was for this whole thing, I was just kind of flowing with whatever came to my mind. I also didn't really try to specifically address your probings, I felt artificial trying to force any avenues of thought.
