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    Default Self-Doubt: What is it Like for You?

    Please specify your enneagram type, and also MBTI/JCF and tritype if you know it. =)

    How do you experience self-doubt?

    What causes it?

    What do you feel inside? What do you do or show on the outside?

    What is self-doubt to you?

    What is "self" to you?
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    Type: 4

    How do you experience self-doubt?
    Lowering of trust in my subjective judgments in favor of information taken from objects.

    What causes it?
    Encountering something in my life that contradicts what I feel inside to be true, something big enough to stick with me. My senses are my authority, but this can go too far and spiral into them becoming an uncontested authority that eclipses me.

    What do you feel inside? What do you do or show on the outside?
    I feel emptier on the inside, treating my inner thoughts and feelings lightly and with contempt. If it's really bad, I will behave in accordance with the "evidence" that set me off in the first place, even if it's the opposite of how I want to. I research OBSESSIVELY when something bothers me, taking key facts uncovered at face value, and if these facts contradict one another, try to remedy that by finding more facts that could tie the contradictory bits together. Included in "research" is over-absorption in and picking apart of the physical details of what I observe or remember. This is futile, of course. No amount of information, no golden truth, will satisfy me short of some kind of impossible physical litmus test. For example, if only there were a blood test to determine whether someone is a good person/is making the right career choice/is ready for a relationship...I waste time this way. Disappearing into an info hoard.

    What is self-doubt to you?
    Pretty literal, as described above: doubt of self. Elevation of one's objective perceptions to unreasonable heights above my subjectivity.

    What is "self" to you?
    Behaviors, mainly. Not completely, but they have veto power over the other aspects when it comes to communicating who one is.
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    ENFP, 4w3, 4-7-8, sx/so

    For me, it's sort of second guessing every conviction I have or judgement I pass on other people (which can be a good thing), but also questions my motives and character and thinking harsh things about myself. It happens all the time, automatically, so I don' think there's really a "cause". I would define "self" as one's motives and emotions.
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    How do you experience self-doubt?
    As not being good enough, usually.

    Being embarrassed of myself. Feeling like my "true" self would be rejected, so I have to keep it hidden. Lack of belief in my own value & significance as a person, I guess.

    What causes it?
    Sometimes it seems to come out of nowhere. But it's often due to a comparison of myself with someone else or an ideal I have. I also can carry a sureness of being unlikeable or misunderstood or just judged negatively, which is probably some projection of my own self-criticism.

    What do you feel inside? What do you do or show on the outside?
    I feel....bad. I feel like unlikable, foolish, a loser, etc.

    On the outside I apparently seem moody, irritable, & aloof. Instead of thinking I'm insecure, people may think I'm a snob or just grouchy all the time. I think it's some self-defense mechanism to appear to reject people or not care before they can get close enough to reject me (because I'm not "good enough").

    What is self-doubt to you?
    Not believing in my ability to do what I need to do to be who I want to be.

    What is "self" to you?
    Inwardly, myself is some unrealized ideal that feels repressed by reality or that I don't even know how to manifest in reality. Outwardly, I don't have a very solid sense of self so I can feel contrived when interacting with people, as if I'm straining to give a clear picture of "me". When people have impressions of me contrary to this image I think I've been cultivating, then it can throw me. I worry about being a fraud sometimes, like my self-view is delusional, so I can also go into overdrive to expose myself, to put all the warts on display.
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    Good questions.
    How do you experience self-doubt?
    That little something which makes me afraid of things and avoid things, nervous when I talk, or procrastinate. In short my self sabotaging behavior which I usually only become aware of after it's already bad in a situation. In social interaction and relationships my tendency to be overly accommodating and paranoid.
    What causes it?
    I don't know. Fear of failure and fear of success at the same time? Fear of making people angry and fear of conflict I know is some of it. Also I fear being intimidating and overbearing. So fear. Also some of what OrangeAppled said, about being unlikeable and judged negatively.
    What do you feel inside? What do you do or show on the outside?
    Hm...usually nothing I'm aware of, which is the problem. A sense of timidity and anxiety probably, a little bit empty in my solar plexus chakra, tension in my heart chakra.

    Nervousness.
    What is self-doubt to you?
    Not going after what I want.
    What is "self" to you?
    Good question. I don't really know. I think I'm a point of view, and a collection of reflections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    XNTP, don't know e-type

    Good questions.
    How do you experience self-doubt?
    That little something which makes me afraid of things and avoid things, nervous when I talk, or procrastinate. In short my self sabotaging behavior which I usually only become aware of after it's already bad in a situation. In social interaction and relationships my tendency to be overly accommodating and paranoid.
    What causes it?
    I don't know. Fear of failure and fear of success at the same time? Fear of making people angry and fear of conflict I know is some of it. Also I fear being intimidating and overbearing. So fear. Also some of what OrangeAppled said, about being unlikeable and judged negatively.
    What do you feel inside? What do you do or show on the outside?
    Hm...usually nothing I'm aware of, which is the problem. A sense of timidity and anxiety probably, a little bit empty in my solar plexus chakra, tension in my heart chakra.

    Nervousness.
    What is self-doubt to you?
    Not going after what I want.
    What is "self" to you?
    Good question. I don't really know. I think I'm a point of view, and a collection of reflections.
    I might posit type 9 for you based on just this; it'd be worth looking into the attachment triad (9, 6, 3) as a possible starting point. Type 9 integrates to 3 and disintegrates to 6; as a preliminary explanation, what that means is that in its better states it reconnects with the positive aspects of 3 in itself, and in its worse states it dissociates from its stable center and takes on some of the negative qualities of type 6. I can explain it to you more at a later point if you're interested, or point you to resources you can use, just gotta do it when I'm not tired/busy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatlander View Post
    I might posit type 9 for you based on just this; it'd be worth looking into the attachment triad (9, 6, 3) as a possible starting point. Type 9 integrates to 3 and disintegrates to 6; as a preliminary explanation, what that means is that in its better states it reconnects with the positive aspects of 3 in itself, and in its worse states it dissociates from its stable center and takes on some of the negative qualities of type 6. I can explain it to you more at a later point if you're interested, or point you to resources you can use, just gotta do it when I'm not tired/busy.
    Thanks. A lot of other people have said 9 as well. I'm waiting until school is over to thoroughly research it. The 9-3-6 thing fits, except that when I'm overly concerned with 3-ish things it's usually counter-productive in some way, because I'm not loving myself independent of achievement and approval from others.

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    I expect myself to win/accomplish and sometimes get disappointed and frustrated when I don't. The greater that expectation and the easier I think the problem ought to have been, the more I'm let down and the more self-doubt manifests.

    So, self-doubt--the notion that I cannot perform--comes after the fact rather than before it.

    Only my closest confidants will hear about it, and only because feeling-sharing is therapeutic and establishes trust. I'm cool and collected when it happens; I'm not exactly the type to wear my heart on my sleeve or to throw chairs across the room when I don't get my way.

    Obvious E3 answers, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe View Post
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    INFJ 3w4 sp/sx (I think)

    How do you experience self-doubt?
    Self-defeating thoughts, overall depressed mood, etc.

    What causes it?
    Failure of some kind, whether that be performing poorly in school, not living up to relationship expectations, disappointing someone, etc.

    What do you feel inside? What do you do or show on the outside?
    Apathy. I begin to doubt why it all matters and why I'm even trying.

    What is "self" to you?
    I feel like this question is too abstract for me to give a meaningful, coherent response.

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    Please specify your enneagram type, and also MBTI/JCF and tritype if you know it. =)

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    How do you experience self-doubt?

    Over analysis of my daily actions, and essentially beating myself up over every verbal slip up and door run into. I also experience self doubt largely in social settings. An example of this is my tendancy to not acknowledging people I'm aquainted w/ because I irrationally fear that they won't remember me ("who are you again?"), or will perceive me as needy. I don't have this issue at all with people I know well, or total strangers-- just the in-betweeners.

    What causes it?

    Having been needy and horribbly unhealthy in the past, the thought of being, or being seen that way again makes me cringe. Also need for control to some extent.

    What do you feel inside? What do you do or show on the outside?

    I feel frozen by fear (or maybe anxiety) and I usually look elsewhere and pre-occupy myself (all of this feels like auto pilot in the moment). I've been told by people who I'm now friends with, that they once perceived me as very cold and even arrogant before they got to know me-- HA! I'm just terrified people!

    What is self-doubt to you?

    Lack of self-grace.


    What is "self" to you?

    Who I have become in this life, including not only the joys but also the scars and messy collaged parts.
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