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    Default For sevens the worse their life is, the lower their conscientious level?

    I've noticed that the more stress that an enneagram 7 is under and the worse their life is, the lower their conscientious level goes down. Conscientious level is defined by wikipedia as....

    "Conscientiousness is the state of being thorough, careful, or vigilant; it implies a desire to do a task well.[1] Conscientiousness is also one trait of the five-factor model of personality, and is manifested in characteristic behaviors such as being efficient, organized, neat, and systematic.[2] It includes such elements as self-discipline, carefulness, thoroughness, self-organization, deliberation (the tendency to think carefully before acting), and need for achievement. It is an aspect of what has traditionally been called character. Conscientious individuals are generally hard working and reliable. When taken to an extreme, they may also be "workaholics", perfectionists, and compulsive in their behavior. People who are low on conscientiousness are not necessarily lazy or immoral, but they tend to be more laid back, less goal-oriented, and less driven by success."
    So in other words what I am trying to say is that when under great stress, the enneagram 7's focus, concentration, ability to follow-through on projects, and work ethic goes down the tubes. Why do I think this? Well, the reason being is that 7's are natural hedonists, and they want life to be as pleasurable and as entertaining as possible. So when life begins to suck and horrible things happen in a 7's life like a divorce, job loss, death of a loved one, etc, they begin to escape from their problems and throw themselves into fun and pleasurable activities. It also seems like the more that life sucks, the more of these fun and pleasurable activities that the 7 throws themselves into in order to stay sane. However, as a consequence of constantly throwing themselves into these activities, they get less and less accomplished in their homes, jobs, schools, etc. Am I onto something with this theory or is it purely gibberish?

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    To be completely honest, even if I actually am most of the time "coscentious", I abhor the formal definition. It just stinks of boredom, senseless rule-abiding, complete lack of creativity and "entrepreneurial" thinking. I think for 7s it's better to use a general definition "hard working and reliable", but why does this translated into "self-disciplined"? Why can't you do a task because you LIKE it, rather than because you are disciplining yourself into doing it? Why do I have to think about being "careful", while instead I may think "I want to do a great job, so I have to look at every detail"? Why is the description written from such a terribly risk-averse, fearful point of view?
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    Seems like it would be true of many types, wouldn't it? Under stress, you don't do as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    Seems like it would be true of many types, wouldn't it? Under stress, you don't do as well?
    Well it's true especially with the 7. For instance, under stress many types such as 1's, 3's, and 8's work even harder than normal when they are under stress. They distract themselves from their problems by doing more work and working later hours.

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    God, I wish that was me.
    I need to read 7 again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    It all makes sense nao
    How does it not make sense?

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