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    I went back and forth a lot, as well. I got a different result for each test I took. Once I threw away the tests and started reading the descriptions, I settled on myself as an 8. That lasted for a few weeks, but when I read that a lot of 6s mistype as 8s I went back and read up on the motivation behind the anxiety I have. That's when I realized I am a 6w5. It was never the case where I didn't want to be a 6 or tried to pretend I wasn't a 6, like I read so many times. In order to learn about yourself and grow as a person you first have to accept who you are, so I really don't get people who deny their true selves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siren View Post
    I went back and forth a lot, as well. I got a different result for each test I took. Once I threw away the tests and started reading the descriptions, I settled on myself as an 8. That lasted for a few weeks, but when I read that a lot of 6s mistype as 8s I went back and read up on the motivation behind the anxiety I have. That's when I realized I am a 6w5. It was never the case where I didn't want to be a 6 or tried to pretend I wasn't a 6, like I read so many times. In order to learn about yourself and grow as a person you first have to accept who you are, so I really don't get people who deny their true selves.
    Which would actually support my theory that it's especially 6w7s (who're not SJs) who've got that problem of identifying as 6s based on descriptions. 6w5s really don't seem to be like that. And I don't think that 6w7s really don't want to grow or anything. But the 6 descriptions often just don't reflect what (non-SJ) 6w7s think their problem - which they should work on - is. Most of the time they seem find that reflected in type 4 descriptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Yeah, indecisiveness and doubting. But on external terms, I think 6 profiles can tend to revolve around the more STJ 6, or the hyper-phobic, 1-like "prussian" 6.

    This is the beginning of the enneagraminstitute.com description:

    Indeed. I think it's sloppy writing when descriptions of enneagram or MBTI types talk about the possible external ways it can be shown rather than on internal workings, which could be similar but could outwardly show themselves in a completely different way from someone else of the same type. That also is what makes so many people confused about MBTI.

    I really like the description from ocean.moonshine.net too--that's the one that really made me think I was a 6 (it was also the first description I ever read that wasn't a paragraph, so that was an advantage to me). And it doesn't just limit itself to phobic but talks about a lot of different sides to 6s.

    I'm still trying to figure out what you mean by "prussian," though
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    @SilkRoad says this a lot, but I agree with her, that one reason that people may reject 6 as a possible type is because it can sound bad. In the video that I referenced in the first post, the same woman says that she originally didn't like the idea of being a 6 because "it didn't sound like fun." I think if people take a superficial look at enneagram and don't realize that all of the types have flaws and that's what it's about, they will read things like "1s are responsible people," "2s are generous and loving people," "3s are successful and goal-driven," etc . . . and then "6s are incredibly fearful people." On the surface, it seems like being a 6 is so much worse than any other type. That can initially make people just getting into enneagram look for some other type for them to be. It's kind of the most dreaded enneagram type of all.

    But the point really is that all enneagram types are flawed. That's what the whole point of enneagram is.

    Am I the only person who was actually decisive right away about being a 6? Of course, I looked into other types to make sure and have occasionally had brief periods where I wondered if I could possibly be another type (I wouldn't be a 6 otherwise), but I've never seriously doubted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubtleFighter View Post
    @SilkRoad says this a lot, but I agree with her, that one reason that people may reject 6 as a possible type is because it can sound bad. In the video that I referenced in the first post, the same woman says that she originally didn't like the idea of being a 6 because "it didn't sound like fun." I think if people take a superficial look at enneagram and don't realize that all of the types have flaws and that's what it's about, they will read things like "1s are responsible people," "2s are generous and loving people," "3s are successful and goal-driven," etc . . . and then "6s are incredibly fearful people." On the surface, it seems like being a 6 is so much worse than any other type. That can initially make people just getting into enneagram look for some other type for them to be. It's kind of the most dreaded enneagram type of all.

    But the point really is that all enneagram types are flawed. That's what the whole point of enneagram is.

    Am I the only person who was actually decisive right away about being a 6? Of course, I looked into other types to make sure and have occasionally had brief periods where I wondered if I could possibly be another type (I wouldn't be a 6 otherwise), but I've never seriously doubted.
    Once I "discovered" a good type 6w5 description I never doubted that I was one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siren View Post
    Once I "discovered" a good type 6w5 description I never doubted that I was one.


    And welcome to the boards!
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    This thread came at just the right time for me, actually, I just did the switchover to 6 finally..
    I started as a 4 a while back when learning about the enneagram. Since then I kept going back and forth between 4 and 7. It was a combination of brooding and anxieties mixed with feeling like a head type, thinking all the time and chasing random interests. Not only that, seems like six is one of the worst types to be as far as the typology community is concerned. Someone who is confusing and doesn't really know who they are and what they want. I didn't understand the authority thing for a while, especially with my type and individuality thing going on. However, a lot of people around here started to think I was a six, I denied it for a bit. Now I realize I have my own idea of what "authority" is, always looking for something solid to rely on, as I'm a confused/ confusing anxious kind of girl. My brain just sways all over the place as far as opinions and self perception go. I'm very reflective, but rarely have that real epiphany as to what life is really about or that set belief system about the world or the world in relation to myself. Very changeable, very self preservation dom as well. Not really a questioner, just kind of looking around for something.

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    I think that it looks on the outside like sixes are kind of meek followers or something.. Truth is we're pretty perceptive, always thinking, reanalyzing, over thinking, regrouping. Can make us really anxioius and unsure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siren View Post
    Once I "discovered" a good type 6w5 description I never doubted that I was one.
    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    This thread came at just the right time for me, actually, I just did the switchover to 6 finally..
    I started as a 4 a while back when learning about the enneagram. Since then I kept going back and forth between 4 and 7. It was a combination of brooding and anxieties mixed with feeling like a head type, thinking all the time and chasing random interests. Not only that, seems like six is one of the worst types to be as far as the typology community is concerned. Someone who is confusing and doesn't really know who they are and what they want. I didn't understand the authority thing for a while, especially with my type and individuality thing going on. However, a lot of people around here started to think I was a six, I denied it for a bit. Now I realize I have my own idea of what "authority" is, always looking for something solid to rely on, as I'm a confused/ confusing anxious kind of girl. My brain just sways all over the place as far as opinions and self perception go. I'm very reflective, but rarely have that real epiphany as to what life is really about or that set belief system about the world or the world in relation to myself. Very changeable, very self preservation dom as well. Not really a questioner, just kind of looking around for something.

    Proud owner of a phobic 6w7 brain!

    I think that it looks on the outside like sixes are kind of meek followers or something.. Truth is we're pretty perceptive, always thinking, reanalyzing, over thinking, regrouping. Can make us really anxioius and unsure.
    Thanks for supporting my theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Yeah im exactly the same, (which of course you already knew from my blog), I used to think I was 1w2 but once I read up on 6w7 and it was suggested to me, I havn't looked back.

    So/sx is also my instinctual varient. Ive certainly had trouble with my MBTI type and I doubt I will ever be certain because I spend far too much time looking for some form of security and solidness to put my feet onto.

    Im currently in the process of teaching myself to ignore this and instead accept the randomness of true reality.
    Yeah, I find you and I to be quite similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Yeah, I find you and I to be quite similar.


    ps: I agree!
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