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    Default Type 6 sx and creativity

    I understand that 6's, the sx variants particularly can look a lot like a 4. They worship creativity, are often emotional, introspective and so on. My question for you guys is how this creativity is motivated by the holy idea of the 6 (trust and security). See, I understand why a 4 would want to be creative, because that creative process becomes an identity builder. What is this motivation like for a 6? Genuine question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    I understand that 6's, the sx variants particularly can look a lot like a 4. They worship creativity, are often emotional, introspective and so on. My question for you guys is how this creativity is motivated by the holy idea of the 6 (trust and security). See, I understand why a 4 would want to be creative, because that creative process becomes an identity builder. What is this motivation like for a 6? Genuine question.
    Type 4 feel that there's an essential source of love that has been denied to them. They are usually engaged in creative process trying to find the "best" which is absent and where resides the hapiness that they don't feel. Their creativity is based on a deep appreciation for beauty, and an alternance of feelings from one extreme to another that they overidentify with. They feel elite and suffer from this.

    Type 6 assume that love and protection are gained by vigilance and endurance. They commit to a creative ideal, create beauty in their environment to stabilize their anxiety. Their creativity is in strong part based on vivid imagination, and they over identify with mental projection and worst-case scenario.
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    Why is it that when u ppl talk about type 6 you mention anxiety?

    The process of creating shit is also fun and enjoyable, not necessarily an anxiety kill.

    I think some people feel the NEED to create, once they've created something by accident, they'll just keep creating shit.

    Because it's fun, and you get to show what's inside of you without actually saying it and explaining it to anyone. And you can show it in such way that it won't be understandable.

    You will cypher you deepest thoughts and just project them onto something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    Why is it that when u ppl talk about type 6 you mention anxiety?

    The process of creating shit is also fun and enjoyable, not necessarily an anxiety kill.

    I think some people feel the NEED to create, once they've created something by accident, they'll just keep creating shit.

    Because it's fun, and you get to show what's inside of you without actually saying it and explaining it to anyone. And you can show it in such way that it won't be understandable.

    You will cypher you deepest thoughts and just project them onto something.


    Though, I think anime wanted to know what the enneatype itself implied in term of differences, speaking about 4s and 6s in particulary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post


    Though, I think anime wanted to know what the enneatype itself implied in term of differences, speaking about 4s and 6s in particulary.
    Pretty much. I'm not sure where @guesswho is coming from, because really I didn't say anything about anxiety (security and trust are pretty neutral terms imo). Any type can be an artist and not all actions are type related. That's not what I'm trying to argue about, I think we're all on the same page on that one. However, there are some types who do like to be creative more than others, so much so that it becomes part of the identity. I'm trying to draw the link between the core idea of each enneatype and link it with creativity (creativity is not the be all end all for any of the types. It is a way other ideas are manifested).
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    They commit to a creative ideal, create beauty in their environment to stabilize their anxiety.
    I was referring to this.

    Long story short I said:

    They also do it because it's fun.

    But I think I spoke like Victor in that post don't know what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    I understand that 6's, the sx variants particularly can look a lot like a 4. They worship creativity, are often emotional, introspective and so on. My question for you guys is how this creativity is motivated by the holy idea of the 6 (trust and security). See, I understand why a 4 would want to be creative, because that creative process becomes an identity builder. What is this motivation like for a 6? Genuine question.
    I don't think I'm creative in stereotypical ways. I do think I have streaks of ingenuity and that in itself is a type of creativity.
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    I think I'm 6w5 sp/sx - definitely not sx-first. But I'll just add my two cents. In case it is helpful.

    I love beauty, culture, creativity etc for many reasons, but the most "6" reason is probably that it's a "safe and secure" way for me to have "drama" and violent emotions and all this sort of thing in my life. I don't like drama in interpersonal relationships and really can't stand the way some people seem to chase after it (often oblivious to the fact that they are doing so.) The arts almost seem to me like a safe way to simultaneously defuse and experience this level of emotion and drama in a controlled environment. I love poetry, I both write and read it, and it occurred to me recently that it's like a metaphoric bomb disposal unit.

    I probably have less of a creative drive than many sx-first. It is in me but often I'm just too lazy or not quite driven enough to seek it out. Sometimes there really is something I know is worthwhile working on (generally poetry these days, though I've written in a lot of different genres/areas). But overall I'm probably more of an experiencer than a creator when it comes to the arts (though sometimes I feel guilty for not trying harder to be creative, or like I'm missing something.)

    I am a very sensitive and emotional person and I think that's partly why I feel like emotions/drama etc need to be "controlled" in a way. When they are out of control they wreak such terrible havoc in my life. The arts/creativity (whether my own or someone else's) give me safe access to this very important aspect of the human experience. That's why I'm such a culture vulture (and that can be anything from a Def Leppard concert to a poetry reading) and constantly seek it out.


    EDIT: I seem to have neglected to mention that these things (in many/most cases) calm me down, or put me in a more happy/fun mood, or get me thinking about things I enjoy, rather than dark obsessive thoughts. All of which help a lot with a 6's issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I love beauty, culture, creativity etc for many reasons, but the most "6" reason is probably that it's a "safe and secure" way for me to have "drama" and violent emotions and all this sort of thing in my life.
    Holy. Shit. That's golden right there. Thanks, that was very insightful.
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    Some rambling thoughts....

    I'd say SXs in general can have a pre-occupation with aesthetics and beauty (I use these words in a broad sense). So that may help to explain why an SX would appreciate creativity. A 6 SX, who tends to be scanning the environment for signs of risk or danger might focus on appreciating something of beauty even more than other types of SXs because it allows them to concentrate on that thing vs. these sources of danger that they might otherwise focus on. It is in a sense a distraction from those negative things.

    I believe the introspection is related to getting in touch with their core and developing a sense of will, confidence and security which are desired. It's an effort to develop self reliance which is of extreme importance - to understand one's strengths and limitations. On the other hand, being overly critical of oneself, which is also part of this introspection on a daily basis, can impair one's confidence. So, there are those two sides of the coin. That doesn't necessarily explain the creativity part however.

    If SX appreciates beauty and 6 wants to develop self-reliance then it doesn't seem unusual that a 6 would expend effort to appreciate or create things of beauty or aesthetic value. It helps them to feel more secure.

    Here is a concrete example. I live in a pretty nice house. I helped to design and create this house - working with the builder to design the exterior as well as all components of the interior - coming up with a number of ideas to make it look more attractive as well as functional. I spent painstaking hours to ensure the right floor plan, select the right flooring material, fireplaces, lighting, fixtures, cabinets, ceiling materials, ventilation systems, and other unique design features. I loved doing it and it really turned out pretty well. It's a thing of beauty in my eyes from both an aesthetic and functional perspective. It's comforting for me to live in it because I was integrally involved in creating it. I'm attached to it and it provides me with security. I can look at it and appreciate it every day. As a 6 that worries about things going wrong, I got it paid off quite early which reduces potential risk. I created it and nobody can take it away without my permission. So, in this case, it wasn't about violent emotions or drama. It was enjoying the process of creation and the pride in that thing which was created which leads to a feeling of competence and the security of having this familiar thing which can be used every day.

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