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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    That's a 1, I believe. 4's want to have their own identity that's different and separate from others.
    You're right. However, I associate 4s with INFPs and INFJs that I do perceive as being idealistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    You're right. However, I associate 4s with INFPs and INFJs that I do perceive as being idealistic.
    Understandably.

    I actually happen to have a close friend who's a relatively extraverted ENFP 4w5 Sx/So that's atypical of most 4's that I get to observe frequently. He's quite a predicament, as he needs to validate his own internal beliefs that he is different than everybody else externally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    The chain is as follows: jixmixfix initially stated that it's probably 6's who cling to (wrong) groups for security, Hazashin clarified that it is social 6s who do so, and I stated that I don't exhibit that behavior as a social 6. I also referred to my previous post to explain how exactly doubt does manifest in me.

    Hazashin didn't offer a rebuttal for me; he offered a rebuttal for jixmixfix. Additionally, I'm saying that what Hazashin stated does not apply to me.
    Yeah but you probably cling to the groups that your with for security. Sixs don't necessarily have to be social to feel confined to a group. A six would probably feel very guilty about leaving someone they've already established a relationship with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    Yeah but you probably cling to the groups that your with for security. Sixs don't necessarily have to be social to feel confined to a group.
    No, no I don't. I can't think of any groups that I actually belong to, let alone cling to, let alone cling to for security.

    A six would probably feel very guilty about leaving someone they've already established a relationship with.
    And one way in which my fears do manifest is guilt. I do want to be able to be there for other people, I generally want my relationships with other people to work, and it's difficult (but not impossible) for me to cut them off when the relationship is past its prime.

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    6w5 Sp/So is probably the uncoolest enneagram variant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    6w5 Sp/So is probably the uncoolest enneagram variant.
    Tentative typing: ISFJ 6w5 or 9w1 (Sp/S[?]).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    6w5 Sp/So is probably the uncoolest enneagram variant.
    lol
    And the coolest??


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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I’ll take myself as an example. I have ideas – often strong ones – that I believe are correct. However, the challenge at times is when it comes down to acting. I can be afraid to act entirely on my own perceptions because I may be wrong. What I consciously or unconsciously do is to surround myself with others that I can bounce things off of. I’m not looking just for yes people people who will agree with me. If anything that makes me less confident because of the lack of critical thinking that’s applied. I’m looking for people who have an opinion or will challenge my thinking. It doesn’t mean I’m going to do what they say. I do however use this process to help validate my perceptions and thinking. Sometimes of course, I just decide and don’t listen much to anyone (maybe that’s the INTJishness). Sometimes that works out brilliantly and other times it’s a disaster. Getting the right balance between these two things is what’s tricky because you need to have confidence in your own perceptions and thought process but not so much that you are blind and arrogant. The other thing is that while involving others in decisions and gaining consensus can be important to get things implemented, you don't want to be paralyzed from acting for fear of losing your support.
    Man, this, especially the bolded, resonates with me.

    Gathering others' perceptions doesn't mean that I'm going to do what they say; if their ideas oppose mine, I may even reinforce my ideas if I find 'holes' in theirs. .. and I can be very good at finding holes.

    In a group setting, we ought to be a fully-functioning whole, which means that we should conflict from time to time so that we can reach a greater understanding overall. I carry this line of thinking to myself as well. I want myself to be a fully-functioning whole (contrary to the dependent and clingy stereotypical nature of the 6), so I carry a 'committee' of sorts in my head to shoot holes in my own perceptions from a variety of angles.

    It's just that I hold very little as absolute, and I tend to want lots of information before I make decisions. I also tend to have multiple reasons for doing anything. If I make a decision, it should be the right one. In seeking a balance like that which you've described, that which I believe leads to correct decisions, I tend to overthink things. That's one of my flaws.

    I realize, rationally, that one of the best ways to get more information is to just freakin' act and get feedback from the outside world by way of a reaction, but it's still sometimes difficult to do.

    Too bad I can't find anything in what I've quoted that I flat-out disagree with, because I might be regarded as inconsistent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    6w5 Sp/So is probably the uncoolest enneagram variant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post


    Ok, that's probably true.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    6w5 Sp/So is probably the uncoolest enneagram variant.
    Good thing I changed my old typing of 6w5 sp/so to something cooler

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