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    Default Differences Between 3w4 and 4w3?

    I'm lost. Extensive reading of type descriptions and careful observation of those who identify with each type doesn't seem to help. I don't think I'm completely ignorant about Enneagram, but the more I research, the less perspective I seem to have about my personality in general.

    Is there a hard-and-fast rule to differentiating between the two?

    Help me.

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    Not a hard-&-fast rule, but 4s probably tend to be more withdrawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyDigestion View Post
    Not a hard-&-fast rule, but 4s probably tend to be more withdrawn.
    depends on what you mean by withdrawn. 3w4s often times are more poised and low key while 4w3s tend to be more emotionally expressive, passionate and intense (of course MBTI and instinct variant will play big roles in this as well), so, while the 4w3 is probably more introspective, the 3w4 can sometimes be closer to what is traditionally considered introverted
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    3w4's tend to be more individualistic 3's than 3w2's. Since they are influenced by their 4 wing, they want to be successful (3ish trait) in their own unique way (4ish trait), unlike w2's that follow the latest trends.

    4w3's are more expressive 4's than 4w5's. They feel the heightened emotionality that their w5 cousins feel, but they tend to dramatize it to attract an audience (3ish trait), whereas w5's would rather keep it to themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    3w4's tend to be more individualistic 3's than 3w2's. Since they are influenced by their 4 wing, they want to be successful (3ish trait) in their own unique way (4ish trait), unlike w2's that follow the latest trends.

    4w3's are more expressive 4's than 4w5's. They feel the heightened emotionality that their w5 cousins feel, but they tend to dramatize it to attract an audience (3ish trait), whereas w5's would rather keep it to themselves.
    3w4 are not more individualistic than 4w3. 4 is the true individualistic of the enneagram, 3 are more prone to follow conventions without value judgments about this.

    The big difference is that 3w4 are human doing and base their identitity on their performable success, while 4w3 are human feeling who base their identity on their emotions and feelings and over-identify with them.
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    I said 3w4's were more individualistic than 3w2's, not 4w3's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    I said 3w4's were more individualistic than 3w2's, not 4w3's.
    Ok, sorry. but the thread is about the difference between 3w4 and 4w3.
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    I know. My post was aimed to describe the core of both types as simply as possible.
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    Try to consider which one sits better with you on its own - that can be your core type.

    They're both emotional types, in that their fixations emerge from their heart and result in a need to create some sort of image for themselves.

    • For 3s, the issue is a need for admiration - they want to feel like they're the best, and so they construct their images to make them seem like they're accomplished and successful and admirable people.
    • For 4s, the issue is a need for romanticism - they want to feel special and elevate their emotions, often to the point of drama or tragedy.


    Considering this, I would contend that 3s are more malleable to what others expect of them, whereas 4s are more likely to follow the beat of their own drummer. In other words, 4s more easily dismiss the feelings of others in favor of their own, whereas 3s are constantly adapting to what others expect of them.

    Does that seem accurate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy V. Malaxia View Post
    I'm lost. Extensive reading of type descriptions and careful observation of those who identify with each type doesn't seem to help. I don't think I'm completely ignorant about Enneagram, but the more I research, the less perspective I seem to have about my personality in general.

    Is there a hard-and-fast rule to differentiating between the two?

    Help me.

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    The 4w3 can be confused with the type 8. Charles Manson is a brooding, unhealthy 4w3. (I know the internet says he is a type 6, but I can't even begin to fathom the reason for that call.) The 3w4 is a bit quieter over-all (less intense).
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