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    9s can certainly over think things. My second highest score outside the gut triad is 6. When I'm disintegrating (which is most of the time lol) I'm very stuck in my head.

    I think this is because I'm an ENFP. ISFP 9s are probably more in tune with their body and/or less with their head....which probably makes them happier 9s. Ne and Fi and 9 make my head explode with always wanting to do the right thing specially when it comes to values. The thing is my body usually already knows the best answer. So that's why I think 9s need to pay more attention to their body. I've noticed recently that I even start wanting to eat different things after stopping old habits like overeating and smoking. I sometimes even WANT to exercise.

    I like to see the triads as 3 types of intelligence. Head, heart and gut. The gut/body has an intelligence of it's own. If a 9 gets in tune with that intelligence life is a lot easier....a lot more energy and motivation and a lot more action.

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    9s can sure overthink and overanalyse but typically not to the extent of head types who do it mostly out of some sort of fear (mainly 5 and 6). 9s would probably see 5s and 6s as thinking too much generally speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I chose head before because I'm always daydreaming and I'm clumsy and not athletic, but can't 9's daydream and be clumsy? Are all 9's athletic? My mom (a 9) certainly isn't. And didn't @Moiety say in his "A word for fellow 9's" thread that 9's can be clumsy? What does it even mean to be comfortable in one's body? I've never been able to figure out my type based on triad anyways, since all three usually come out tied. And who says 9's are incapable of over-thinking things? I don't know. I don't want to be difficult, but I don't think I can make a decision based solely on whether I feel more comfortable in my body or my head, especially since I don't even know what that really means.
    I didn't say anyone was incapable of anything. But here's the deal:

    Pathological Nines don't become locked in their heads like Fives, they become locked in their bodies - they become locked in a state of physical inertia and easy-going malleability. They become so comfortable and down-to-earth that they forget to show off and make something of themselves. Serenity is a fundamentally physical state - you're adopting an easy-going, malleable, physical presence that is inviting and calm and totally not getting in your way.

    Pathological Fives get so locked in a state of "preparation" that they practically forget they exist - everything has to be analysed and figured out before-hand, to the point where they forget to simply get up and do something. Detachment emerges from the mind - it's a need to separate from what's going on around you, and internalise what you're seeing, instead of participating.

    There's a very real distinction between body and mind that these pathological states help to illustrate. It's a case of figuring out which side of the spectrum you lean toward when you're not in your best state.

    I'm still utterly convinced you're a Five, by the way. That PM you sent to me was way too convincing.

    I think this is because I'm an ENFP. ISFP 9s are probably more in tune with their body and/or less with their head....which probably makes them happier 9s. Ne and Fi and 9 make my head explode with always wanting to do the right thing specially when it comes to values. The thing is my body usually already knows the best answer. So that's why I think 9s need to pay more attention to their body. I've noticed recently that I even start wanting to eat different things after stopping old habits like overeating and smoking. I sometimes even WANT to exercise.
    I'm going to give this advice as often as I can - there's nothing that suggest the enneagram and MBTI can co-exist like this. It's like mixing the imperial and metric systems, at best you'll only end up muddying the waters and getting an obfuscated understanding of both systems.
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    Yes. But I can attest that being Ne-dominant (and Ne is by definition the opposite of the very grounded Se) 9 probably much more spaced out version than most ISFP 9s. The same can probably said about INFPs.

    ISFP are artists or like sports and have a lot more body-awareness usually, due to Se.

    At least now I can stop being so hard on myself for being such a bundle of contradictions. It also makes sense that I've always had unusually high Fi for an ENFP. And that my w8 is so strong and as such Te stress is so common in me, in a considerably aggressive way.But now I've developed a method, which is to write my thoughts on journal. Frees up my mind considerably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    I'm going to give this advice as often as I can - there's nothing that suggest the enneagram and MBTI can co-exist like this. It's like mixing the imperial and metric systems, at best you'll only end up muddying the waters and getting an obfuscated understanding of both systems.
    Nothing but personal experience and the fact that any human can take both tests. Two models don't conflict with each other...because they are not the territory, they are just maps. One might be mapping the rivers, and other the roads.

    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Watch out for that word "intelligence", it's not meant to imply that it all comes out of your head.
    It is my belief intelligence (in the broadest sense possible, "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills ") is not a property of brains alone, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    9s can sure overthink and overanalyse but typically not to the extent of head types who do it mostly out of some sort of fear (mainly 5 and 6). 9s would probably see 5s and 6s as thinking too much generally speaking.
    My overthinking is certainly not out of fear. When there's something that makes me anxious, I tend to avoid thinking about it. I wouldn't say 5's and 6's think too much, but I would say they worry too much. Maybe they would be better off if they didn't spend so much time thinking about the things that make them worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    My overthinking is certainly not out of fear. When there's something that makes me anxious, I tend to avoid thinking about it. I wouldn't say 5's and 6's think too much, but I would say they worry too much. Maybe they would be better off if they didn't spend so much time thinking about the things that make them worry.
    BINGO, 9 sounds like the best fit. BTW, 9s tend to be the most out of touch with their gut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiety View Post
    Nothing but personal experience and the fact that any human can take both tests. Two models don't conflict with each other...because they are not the territory, they are just maps. One might be mapping the rivers, and other the roads.
    I think the problem is just people trying to differentiate between a billion different combination of habits. It's such a waste of time, and you really do end up obfuscating and confusing a lot of things, as well as losing focus on what actually matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiety View Post
    Yes. But I can attest that being Ne-dominant (and Ne is by definition the opposite of the very grounded Se) 9 probably much more spaced out version than most ISFP 9s. The same can probably said about INFPs.

    ISFP are artists or like sports and have a lot more body-awareness usually, due to Se.

    At least now I can stop being so hard on myself for being such a bundle of contradictions. It also makes sense that I've always had unusually high Fi for an ENFP. And that my w8 is so strong and as such Te stress is so common in me, in a considerably aggressive way.But now I've developed a method, which is to write my thoughts on journal. Frees up my mind considerably.
    I am Fe dom 5w6 so I know about the contradictions. hah!

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    @VagrantFarce : Well that depends on each person. It took me a while but I can start to take something out of these models. I definitely see the 9 patterns in myself. If you see MBTI as your cognitive functions and enneagram as motivations the reason behind them, there is nothing conflicting at all. The key is one focus, like you said. What matters is different for different people.

    Using the models is not the something as taking them at face value, but about comparing them to your life situation and your past mistakes and successes. Studying the models without drawing conclusions and MAKING CHANGES in one life, to test it out.....well, yeah, that is kind of pointless.

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