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    What do you have against being a five? I thought I had convinced you weeks ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    What do you have against being a five? I thought I had convinced you weeks ago.
    I was convinced for a little while, but I keep finding more things that don't quite fit. I have nothing against fives, but I don't really want to be one because if I am, then I somehow missed out on all the good aspects of that type (like being intellectual and knowledgeable), which means all I get out of it is being a recluse. Unfortunately, I don't make a very good five.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    To be honest, I would rather be a 9 than a 5. I just want to know that I'm a 9 before I go changing my type.



    But I thought 9's fixation of indolence comes from the loss of holy love? In other words, if I'm an average 9, would I really be able to relate to holy love if I've supposedly lost it? When I read the description, it sounds good, but I'm not sure how much I can really relate to it, since I don't normally think about love much. Then again, I don't even understand 5's holy idea. When I read it it doesn't make sense to me, but maybe that particular description is just confusing.

    Anyways, good idea. Time to start thinking outside the box and figure out what my holy idea is.

    Yes, one mustn't forget what brought us to places like these in the first place. Our commitment should be with finding who the fuck we are and who the fuck we are not....not with studying MBTI our Enneagram or any other model. The models are here to helps study ourselves.

    And to try to answer your question....no, relating to holy love is not something spontaneous. I've been in denial of my laziness for a long time so everything else goes with it in a way. Of course laziness is not property of 9s alone. I guess the answer to your question, like any real answer is not really linear.

    Having a journal of some kind or a scribbling down every now and then asking about what you want for yourself and others...and asking who you are....and what other people are........it's all the same thing.

    What you are really trying to find with all this crap...is exactly which kind of glasses your used to using to look at reality. You can only connect the dots in retrospective though. My advice to anyone is to not to get too high on foruming and studying psychology...and starting to practice psychology on themselves every day. If you are a 9, you'll probably notice a pattern I noticed. You read about crap you like ALL DAY LONG. And then you read some more. You love masturbating while looking at the MBTI and Enneagram porno mag. But you don't allow yourself to go out there and actually have sex with yourself. A 9 will have a tendency to not ENGAGE . It's more COMFORTABLE to read about this crap, or any other of your interests than actually acting upon your ideas and hypothesis and do something.

    Self-discovery involves action. The 9 is the most inclined to not want to accept this. You could even frame it in another way....the 9 doesn't want to see that happiness, peace, whatever else you want for yourself, involves EFFORT!

    Effort is a taboo word. At least in my case. Maybe my advice is not very valuable, but this has been my experience. I'm an ENFP too. So I live too much in my head.

    If you are an INFP and you are a 9 you are probably not much different.

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    ^ shit, that really makes it sound like I'm a nine.
    Thanks for the insight @Moiety.

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    Yeah, awesome post, @Moiety. Lulz.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that some descriptions might not be true in every context, only some. For example, I don't normally think of myself as lazy because I often work my ass off, but when I'm not pushing myself, I sure can slip into laziness easily. I have to push myself to not be lazy, unless I'm energized by something.

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    ^Definitely. I never liked to see myself as lazy. And I had a slew of examples in life, than whenever I actually applied myself a little bit...I'd work like nobody's business without breaking a sweat. That's what made me further reject the lazy label.

    But now I see, it's just a word. It's pointing to a certain pattern. And that one is undeniable. My energy levels are not consistent. So now I'm taking it upon myself to integrating consistent energy into my life. As with a lot of other things, as a Ne dominant, being hollistic in my implementation of small changes in life has helped tremendously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    I like the sound of it too. But what the hell does it mean?

    So you don't get dulled by convention maybe? I can see that.
    So you don't let others influence your own individuality. You are you in all your glorious rawness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I was convinced for a little while, but I keep finding more things that don't quite fit. I have nothing against fives, but I don't really want to be one because if I am, then I somehow missed out on all the good aspects of that type (like being intellectual and knowledgeable), which means all I get out of it is being a recluse. Unfortunately, I don't make a very good five.
    That's no excuse, you're trying to find yourself here. Besides, knowledge isn't an accurate measure of intelligence or perception.

    Listen, the types are remarkably simple - and they aren't going to cover every little habit you've accumulated in your life, because it's not about that. So you need to stop constantly looking for silly little details that don't matter.

    In fact, this is how simple it is: Which do you feel more comfortable inhabiting?

    1. Your body
    2. Your mind

    I'll even give you a hint - if you start sitting there in front of the computer over-thinking the question, the answer isn't number 1!!!
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    ^ haha over thinking is my biggest downfall. However couldn't the questioning be due to the 9s undefined sense of self. I wonder if revliszero regularly overanalyzes other parts of her life? The thing that got me thinking I was a head type over a 9 was how much I spent thinking about things, preparing for things, basically my over active mind. @RevlisZero, do people comment on how you think too much? Besides the enneagram/MBTI, are you regularly analyzing a topic? I mean like non-stop analyzing (doesn't have to be an academic subject by any means... my topics are mostly analyzing myself and people in general). The only time my brain stops analysing is when I am asleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    That's no excuse, you're trying to find yourself here. Besides, knowledge isn't an accurate measure of intelligence or perception.

    Listen, the types are remarkably simple - and they aren't going to cover every little habit you've accumulated in your life, because it's not about that. So you need to stop constantly looking for silly little details that don't matter.

    In fact, this is how simple it is: Which do you feel more comfortable inhabiting?

    1. Your body
    2. Your mind

    I'll even give you a hint - if you start sitting there in front of the computer over-thinking the question, the answer isn't number 1!!!
    I chose head before because I'm always daydreaming and I'm clumsy and not athletic, but can't 9's daydream and be clumsy? Are all 9's athletic? My mom (a 9) certainly isn't. And didn't @Moiety say in his "A word for fellow 9's" thread that 9's can be clumsy? What does it even mean to be comfortable in one's body? I've never been able to figure out my type based on triad anyways, since all three usually come out tied. And who says 9's are incapable of over-thinking things? I don't know. I don't want to be difficult, but I don't think I can make a decision based solely on whether I feel more comfortable in my body or my head, especially since I don't even know what that really means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    ^ haha over thinking is my biggest downfall. However couldn't the questioning be due to the 9s undefined sense of self. I wonder if revliszero regularly overanalyzes other parts of her life? The thing that got me thinking I was a head type over a 9 was how much I spent thinking about things, preparing for things, basically my over active mind. @RevlisZero, do people comment on how you think too much? Besides the enneagram/MBTI, are you regularly analyzing a topic? I mean like non-stop analyzing (doesn't have to be an academic subject by any means... my topics are mostly analyzing myself and people in general). The only time my brain stops analysing is when I am asleep.
    An undefined sense of self is possible. I don't know myself nearly as well as I used to think. And no, I don't regularly overanalyze other parts of my life. At least I don't think I do. I generally only overanalyze when a) there's a problem that needs to be solved, b) it's very important to me, and c) I'm not too tired, lazy, or distracted. I don't delve too far into the details on just anything. The only thing I'm overanalyzing right now is my type/myself. I might occasionally overanalyze a homework problem if I can get really into it and stay focused, but only if I'm willing to put that much effort into it. I spend most of my time thinking about my type and myself (and not really making much progress), thinking about something random (e.g. "Hey, that tree looks funny!", or "I wonder what gives books that old book smell? Oh wait, that's chemistry. Never mind, I don't really want to know!"), listening to music in my head (very often), thinking about what's going on in my life, or just spacing out. I suppose there's not really a whole lot of analyzing in most of that.

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