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    [bento boxed] EJCC's Avatar
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    Default Enneagram 1 descriptions: the least accurate?

    Every type 1 I know (myself included) has gotten the wrong result on an Enneagram test and then mistyped for an extended period of time. I thought I was a type 6 for several months, and my type 1 roommate spent a while thinking she was a type 5.

    I blame this on really, really bad descriptions of type 1, online. I initially ruled out being a One because of

    1) the focus on "morality"*, which I don't relate to at all;
    2) the idea that we are defined by "resentment"*, which I am not; and
    3) the idea that our greatest fear is "corruption"*, which I am not all that afraid of.

    There is no doubt in my mind that I'm a One. I may be one of the best examples of type 1w2 on the forum! And yet I don't relate to the basic tenants of the type??

    Any thoughts from other type Ones on this? Or from people who know Ones pretty well? Is this a problem with most Enneagram descriptions, and I just didn't notice? Insert ideas/thoughts/bitching here.


    * In order for the descriptions to represent me, I would replace the quoted words/phrases with, respectively, "fairness", "repression", and "hypocrisy". This may seem like small changes, but they make a pretty huge difference!
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    Perhaps they're talking in more general terms, in order to apply to both healthy and unhealthy Ones to an extent? I'd argue that "repression" and "resentment" are connected when it comes to the "average health" One's mindset, though.

    Or perhaps it's more biased towards 1w9s?

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    I know exactly what you mean. My dad is a 1w9, but if I showed him the descriptions I'm sure he would say they don't fit him, because they're too focused on morality and fear of being evil/corrupt. I think the descriptions should focus more on the need to be conscientious and the fear of being wrong (not necessarily in a moral context), which applies to a wider and more everyday context. Hmmm...You said "fair" instead of conscientious, and "hypocrisy" instead of wrongness. I suppose those could fit him too, though they're not necessarily the words I would choose.

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    Enneagram texts like to make their descriptions more fancy and unique than they really are. A type One in the simplest sense is just a very opinionated individual.
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    It seems to me that people have a harder time finding their enneagram than on most other tests. It took me several tries over several years. I hate the way some aspects of 4-ness are described; i.e., 4 wants to be unique -- for me, it's more like I am over and over again told I am weird (unique), so I own that as a part of who I am -- it was never something I wanted and growing up, I didn't realize I was weird. It became apparent to me because people pointed it out. So yeah. I think it's a function of enneagram rather than 1s in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    It seems to me that people have a harder time finding their enneagram than on most other tests. It took me several tries over several years. I hate the way some aspects of 4-ness are described; i.e., 4 wants to be unique -- for me, it's more like I am over and over again told I am weird (unique), so I own that as a part of who I am -- it was never something I wanted and growing up, I didn't realize I was weird. It became apparent to me because people pointed it out. So yeah. I think it's a function of enneagram rather than 1s in particular.
    Gawd i know. I wish I could get with the enneagram stuff but it just doesn't fit me well (imo), outside the stacking (which i really like). I've tested 1.2.4.5.and even 8.lol. with various wings. I don't know how well 4 even fits me either.
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    I always tested as an 8. You might be on to something there.

    It's something about the "church lady" description that throws people off, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I know exactly what you mean. My dad is a 1w9, but if I showed him the descriptions I'm sure he would say they don't fit him, because they're too focused on morality and fear of being evil/corrupt. I think the descriptions should focus more on the need to be conscientious and the fear of being wrong (not necessarily in a moral context), which applies to a wider and more everyday context. Hmmm...You said "fair" instead of conscientious, and "hypocrisy" instead of wrongness. I suppose those could fit him too, though they're not necessarily the words I would choose.
    You have a point here. Those are better words, probably. The reason why "hypocrisy" came to mind so quickly, for me, is that the past few times I've been verbally angry at myself in front of other people, I've vented about being a hypocrite; going against my values when my values are so important to me. But I think "wrongness" covers that too, as well as an umbrella of other topics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    Enneagram texts like to make their descriptions more fancy and unique than they really are. A type One in the simplest sense is just a very opinionated individual.
    I agree with the first sentence but not the second -- since it's so, so much more than being opinionated. But if I were to simplify type One like that, I'd say that we are essentially just people with obscenely high standards, that we compare absolutely everything to. We are more in touch with Plato's concept of "telos" than any other type.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    It seems to me that people have a harder time finding their enneagram than on most other tests. It took me several tries over several years. I hate the way some aspects of 4-ness are described; i.e., 4 wants to be unique -- for me, it's more like I am over and over again told I am weird (unique), so I own that as a part of who I am -- it was never something I wanted and growing up, I didn't realize I was weird. It became apparent to me because people pointed it out. So yeah. I think it's a function of enneagram rather than 1s in particular.
    This makes a lot of sense.
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    I always tested as an 8. You might be on to something there.
    Hey, I tested as type 8, too!
    It's something about the "church lady" description that throws people off, I think.
    Seriously. I read it and I was like "I am so much more fun than this! And I'm not always up in people's grills!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    1) the focus on "morality"*, which I don't relate to at all;
    2) the idea that we are defined by "resentment"*, which I am not; and
    3) the idea that our greatest fear is "corruption"*, which I am not all that afraid of.
    It may be a matter of degree. I think of morality a lot, especially in the context of which action is the least messy or the one your conscience will give you the least grief over. I have a strong superego.

    Personally, I find myself wanting to make sense of chaotic things and it's more universal than just being Mr. Manners (though I can do that). It's every thing from how clean a plate is in the laundry, whether the punctuation in a text I send is correct, to making absolutely certain I wipe cleanly.

    Maybe that's why I enjoy organizing things...

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    I knew I was a One right away and have stuck with it ever since, so not all of us feel like it's a miss. However, as a rule, where MBTI profiles are too inclusive and vague, it seems Enneagram descriptions are usually to exclusive and specific. Accordingly, many people spend a while feeling they aren't any Enneagram type.

    I've read some rather decent published descriptions for type One (particularly Helen Palmer's). It's only when I start reading the descriptions from people on random websites or on forums like these that are start wondering how they're supposed to sound like me.
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