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    Aren't there any So/Sp fives on this forum?

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    Maybe there aren't any type 5 So/Sp in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    As for myself, while I like having a nice place to live and having aesthetics/surroundings that I like and that are decent quality, I hate the idea of accumulating, I am not someone who buys 'stuff' as a general rule, I am extremely against the whole 'keeping up with the jones'' concept, I tend to value experiences (travel, activities) more than things when it comes to spending money, and I am a saver.

    However, yeah, I might be stingy with sharing my stuff because I don't trust the other person (don't think it will be returned, think it will be returned in worse condition than it started, think the other person's just taking advantage and simply not wanting to pay for or put in the work/effort that I paid for/worked for..lol.. stuff like that). I tend not to be a very generous person when it comes to tangible things. Heck, now that I think about it, even helping people with, say, homework. In jr. high/high school I really resented that and didn't want to give anyone any answers. haha! I realize that says a lot about me.

    I'm not at all implying this will resonate with other sp's, or even has anything to do with sp, but this is just another aspect of myself.
    I relate to a lot of this. I'm not picky about having a nice place to live and I reckon I'm more low-maintenance than most.
    Like you, saving money is one of my skills...but is also one thing that stresses me out - often unnecessarily. I have no financial pressure, but I'm much more stingy and anxious about my money than people my age who are living on their own with a car (and other expenses) to look after. Of course, there are times money is spent- usually on books and games. But even a dollar spent needlessly is a dollar lost...which upsets me.
    People ask me what I'm saving for but I honestly don't know what. Future holidays, perhaps? It seems I'm saving for the sake of saving, almost as though I have a responsibility to not squander money.

    Similar to @cascadeco I prefer not to share or lend things, whether it's answers, food or belongings. There are moments of real generosity, but after I've calculated whether it's worth doing...which ends up contradicting the idea of being generous and giving. When seeing other people shout entire meals for friends or buying expensive gifts, I sometimes envy their happy-go-lucky ways with money.

    There is another aspect of me that may illustrate the Sp instinct.
    I'm scared of the idea of being addicted or becoming a slave to anything such as gambling or drugs. These are things I won't touch. Also, I'm protective of my own sensitivity in the sense that I avoid becoming intimate with anyone for fear of being found to be boring, unlikeable, or deemed not worth their time after all. I'm too chicken to risk being vulnerable.

    For what it's worth, I must mention that I don't and won't think twice if ask to hang glide, jump off a plane, or shark dive (as long as money isn't an issue!) Perhaps it's the naivety of youth but when it comes to my physical self, it's not a factor I consider. There's always the belief that "My body is strong enough to cope!" and it's true that I'm naturally fit and enduring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Aren't there any So/Sp fives on this forum?
    [youtube=eGZg9yN4lhU]Unhealthy 5w6 So/Sp[/youtube]

    The difference is between Social avarice and Self-preservational avarice.

    • Social avarice results in hoarding energy for niche groups and people of valued status.
    • Self-preservational avarice results in hoarding energy for valued resources and environments.


    Both are of in fear of being "depleted", but for different reasons - one is to preserve a sense of social identity, the other to preserve a sense of comfort, familiarity and security. One of these is going to be more prominent in your life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    [youtube=eGZg9yN4lhU]Unhealthy 5w6 So/Sp[/youtube]

    The difference is between Social avarice and Self-preservational avarice.

    • Social avarice results in hoarding energy for niche groups and people of valued status.
    • Self-preservational avarice results in hoarding energy for valued resources and environments.


    Both are of in fear of being "depleted", but for different reasons - one is to preserve a sense of social identity, the other to preserve a sense of comfort, familiarity and security. One of these is going to be more prominent in your life.
    Thanks for the video! After watching this, I don't think I'm an So first. I just can't relate to him at all and I couldn't care less about social status or being part of some exclusive group. At this point I'm pretty sure I'm Sp/So, though I find it odd that I can't really relate to other Sp/So's when it comes to being stingy with resources. I like it when people want to borrow or use my stuff because then I was able to help in some way. It makes me happy when I share resources like food with my roommate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Thanks for the video! After watching this, I don't think I'm an So first. I just can't relate to him at all and I couldn't care less about social status or being part of some exclusive group. At this point I'm pretty sure I'm Sp/So, though I find it odd that I can't really relate to other Sp/So's when it comes to being stingy with resources. I like it when people want to borrow or use my stuff because then I was able to help in some way. It makes me happy when I share resources like food with my roommate.
    There's a stigma attached to the entire notion once phrased like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleuthiness View Post
    There's a stigma attached to the entire notion once phrased like that.
    Then how about I'm just not interested? I make no effort to be popular because I don't really care. If I were to suddenly become famous and everyone knew my name and wanted to be my friend, I guess that would be kind of cool because making friends would be so much easier. On the other hand, I think it would interfere with my privacy a lot, and I would suddenly find myself with a lot less free time, so I'm not really sure if I would enjoy it.

    And about the exclusive groups, I could never see myself joining a sorority or some snobby elitist group for status. It's really not my thing. I don't need to be better than anybody else. Then again...I think it really depends on the group. I wouldn't join a group for social status, but I if a group is for something that interests me, like the Japanese Club I started in High School, I do enjoy being part of groups like that. The groups I was involved in in High School sort of became a part of my identity, if that makes any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Then how about I'm just not interested? I make no effort to be popular because I don't really care. If I were to suddenly become famous and everyone knew my name and wanted to be my friend, I guess that would be kind of cool because making friends would be so much easier. On the other hand, I think it would interfere with my privacy a lot, and I would suddenly find myself with a lot less free time, so I'm not really sure if I would enjoy it.

    And about the exclusive groups, I could never see myself joining a sorority or some snobby elitist group for status. It's really not my thing. I don't need to be better than anybody else. Then again...I think it really depends on the group. I wouldn't join a group for social status, but I if a group is for something that interests me, like the Japanese Club I started in High School, I do enjoy being part of groups like that. The groups I was involved in in High School sort of became a part of my identity, if that makes any sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Then how about I'm just not interested? I make no effort to be popular because I don't really care. If I were to suddenly become famous and everyone knew my name and wanted to be my friend, I guess that would be kind of cool because making friends would be so much easier. On the other hand, I think it would interfere with my privacy a lot, and I would suddenly find myself with a lot less free time, so I'm not really sure if I would enjoy it.

    And about the exclusive groups, I could never see myself joining a sorority or some snobby elitist group for status. It's really not my thing. I don't need to be better than anybody else. Then again...I think it really depends on the group. I wouldn't join a group for social status, but I if a group is for something that interests me, like the Japanese Club I started in High School, I do enjoy being part of groups like that. The groups I was involved in in High School sort of became a part of my identity, if that makes any sense.
    Yearning for social status doesn't mean "I want to sit at the top of the pile and keep everyone else off of it", it simply means finding significance within a group. The clip I posted was titled "unhealthy" - the guy is obviously making up for self-attributed deficiencies by wanting to be right, right, right at the top. That isn't something that's exclusive to Fives, any social type can feel that way (for another example in popular media, look at Ricky Gervais' character in Extras).

    What makes him a Five is that his energy is drawn in very tightly, and then focused toward gaining that status - he is hoarding his time and energy in order find significance within the group. Again, that group can be big, small, even insignificant to most other people. The point is that his focus is on groups, and his relation to them.
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    1) What is your type (5w4 or 5w6) and instinctual variant, and how positive are you that your variant is accurate?
    5w4 90% sure. sp/so 70% sure. [90% on the SP; less so on the SO]

    2) How would you describe your overall focus when alone versus in social situations?
    Do you mean how focused or what I'm focused on? I would expect more focus when alone or with a person I've acclimated to having in my personal space. But I expect that of most humans. Otherwise in social situations, can be rather scattered flitting between what's buzzing in my head and trying to pay attention to where I am and what I'm supposed to be doing. Balancing this can be a chore.

    3) How would you describe your interaction style when in a group?
    That depends entirely on the group and the reason I'm in the group in the first place. If it's not a group of people I've called together myself or am enthused about having together, then I'll just stay in the background and absorb all I can about the lay of the land...in terms of relationships or the topic at hand. It can be a real challenge to involve myself, or give the impression I care about being there, which people apparently care a lot about. If it's a group of friends or a group I gathered together, then I'm rather talkative, challenging and directive. But I tend to notice if someone seems left out or uncomfortable and try to bring them in.

    4) How would you describe your interaction style in one-on-one situations?
    Mood-dependent. Probing, direct, friendly or brief/terse/curt. I often find that I'm the one to have to wrap up conversations more often than not. I tend to want to get to the point and get on with it. It's a challenge dealing with more long-winded people without coming off rude. Or not going nuts when the long-windedness has a heavy dose of repetition.

    5) How well does this description of your variant fit you?
    It's pretty good.

    6) How did you decide on your variant? Was there anything that gave it away, or else made you change your mind from what you previously thought it was?
    Took a test and it blew the others out of the water. Took the test again - or one like it - much later. Same result. Confirmed by reading descriptions.
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