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    Default 8s and anger

    Disclaimer, this is just a theory

    If you asked most people about what type of emotion anger is, they'd probably answer "negative" but it seems like for 8s, anger can either feel good or bad. for instance, the kind of anger felt when solving a problem, physically defending yourself or standing up for what you believe in might feel very good, even though it is still a feeling of anger.

    Do any of you who are 8s relate to this?

    Edit: another question, do you consider this particular feeling to be anger or a different emotion that is similar to anger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Disclaimer, this is just a theory

    If you asked most people about what type of emotion anger is, they'd probably answer "negative" but it seems like for 8s, anger can either feel good or bad. for instance, the kind of anger felt when solving a problem, physically defending yourself or standing up for what you believe in might feel very good, even though it is still a feeling of anger.

    Do any of you who are 8s relate to this?
    I may not be an 8, but I think anger is justified. I do not, however, think it is justified to act on it a way that violates someone's rights, even in retaliation. The emotion is justified, but not always the action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    I may not be an 8, but I think anger is justified. I do not, however, think it is justified to act on it a way that violates someone's rights, even in retaliation. The emotion is justified, but not always the action.
    what do you consider violating someone's rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    what do you consider violating someone's rights?
    Denying someone the free exercise of their will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Denying someone the free exercise of their will.
    are you saying that people have a right to exercise their will in any way they please, even if they are hurting others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    are you saying that people have a right to exercise their will in any way they please, even if they are hurting others?
    Of course not. People have a right to exercise their will as long as it does not interfere with someone else's will. Someone commiting violence against another is a violation of this. There are legitimate methods, outside of violence, to prevent the exercise of force in this manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Of course not. People have a right to exercise their will as long as it does not interfere with someone else's will. Someone commiting violence against another is a violation of this. There are legitimate methods, outside of violence, to prevent the exercise of force in this manner.

    (*whew* That took a lot out of me to form that simple 'T' sentence. )
    so you believe that people don't have a right to do certain things, but you also don't believe people should be punished for those things? or do you believe that only governmental authorities should be able to use force
    PS: no pressure, feel free to take your time or even come back to this later. I realize you are an INFP and not my INTJ 8w7 friend who I can debate intensely for hours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    so you believe that people don't have a right to do certain things, but you also don't believe people should be punished for those things? or do you believe that only governmental authorities should be able to use force
    I believe people should be punished for things, but not by violent force. No one should be allowed to use force.

    PS: no pressure, feel free to take your time or even come back to this later. I realize you are an INFP and not my INTJ 8w7 friend who I can debate intensely for hours
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    I've seen this expressed before, the idea of "positive anger". Positive or negative, it's the same release of energy - it's just a case of where it's aimed, and for what purpose.

    I guess that's how 8s see it, because to them everything is a release of anger - it's their modus operandi. Telling them to calm down is like telling them to stop breathing - they suddenly don't know what to do with themselves (except get angry! ).
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    I think 8s feel good about anger because they are convinced that when they are angry about you, you deserve it.

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