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    Whisky Old & Women Young Speed Gavroche's Avatar
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    Default Self-Pres last 5s

    I have here a list of Self pres last 5. I post it because Sp and 5 are often confonded and kind of hard to differentiate. I think that material can permit us to be more aware of the differences.

    I had some questions for Self-pres or self-pres second 5: what common points do you find between theses people and you? What differences? How being self-pres last make them differ to you in your opinion?

    This thread is also for Self-pres last 5, but they are very few on this board. I know that TWAW is a 5w4 Sx/So, Zarathoustra is probably a 5w6 Sx/So.

    5w4 So/Sx
    Jean Paul Satre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USsUQUTpYyA
    Tim Burton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8x7Tuvd2BE
    Stanley Kubrick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdKHuyhhyuM
    Varg Vikernes-Burzum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgYsPkWJmdY
    Jeanette Winterson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHyW1x5N5e4
    Wes Anderson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaZi-dYgbF4
    Ursula K Le Guin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPvksvIcIKs
    Russ Hudson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2V3Oc7icgw
    Alain Resnais http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTg_knL4cks
    Vladimir Nabokov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wcB4RPasE
    Simone de Beauvoir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHVTKy1cmuc
    Al Joshua http://www.babelgum.com/3020682
    Jim Dines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QJpESM5c3c

    Fictionals
    Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUTBpK-Jcks
    Beast (X-Men) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-XVT8nNcLs

    5w4 Sx/So
    John Lennon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwJj2efChFk
    William Burroughs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw1U4EJdtgs
    Patti Smith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8msBBzkJn_E
    Oriana Fallaci http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/221
    Clive Barker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM6-SIzMr3c

    Fictional
    Hannibal Lecter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UePOm...eature=related

    5w6 So/Sx
    Douglass Adams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msAF_MDYWNE
    Jeff Goldblum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mspEfYQxgYM
    Lou Barlow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MSjNOrOC6E
    Elvis Costello http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzXWnw7-BHI
    Donnie Iris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99unTKTZxo
    Ben Folds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99unTKTZxo
    Imogen Heap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MbyFELkXBw
    Sara Maitland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzGrXjSEiIM

    Fictionals
    Mr Burns (Simpsons) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAIW3iUViXg
    Charlie Epps (Numbers) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcYR4xCFydU
    Dr Gregory House http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XTJmxvfKo4
    The Riddler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59gbbyn2HEs

    5w6 Sx/So
    Howard Hughes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez4rbj1AZGg
    Brian Eno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm36ZxJboUI
    Matt Bellamy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmLs38lqQQ
    Stan Lee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc08gPCeD2U
    Buddy Holly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQiIMuOKIzY
    Thomas Dolby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ear_NPK-gxg
    Nedha Patkar http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDG__6xjGQ
    Leon Trotsky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3nD5bFm3Jg

    Fictional
    Peter Parker/Spiderman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h11P-UvcgI





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    I'm a 5w6 sp/sx. From what I've seem:
    5w6 so/sx's = more pleasant, more likeable. Hard not to like them.
    5w6 sx/so's = more confident, more spontaneous. Seems they can talk and think at the same time without losing consistency.
    In common...not much, to be honest! I hope someone else is able to detect it it.
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    I'm a 5w4 Sx/So (heavy wing and sexual instinct made me think I was a 4w5), and relate to the mannerisms of Patti Smith, John Lennon and Matt Bellamy the most from the videos you posted. I can also see a bit of myself in Sx/Sp Kurt Cobain.
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    "I don't believe in guilt, I only believe in living on impulses"

    "Stereotypes about personality and gender turn out to be fairly accurate: ... On the binary Myers-Briggs measure, the thinking-feeling breakdown is about 30/70 for women versus 60/40 for men." ~ Bryan Caplan

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    Alright, I'll take a crack at this because some people (IRL) still believe I'm 5w4 (instead of the inverse)-- either way, my wing is heavy. Naranjo, Ichazo and Beatrice Chestnut's (compiled) descriptions of Sx/So 4 and 5 are equally "me".

    I'm not familiar with most of the people you used as examples, but I honestly don't resonate with most of the videos of the "Sx/So 5w4's" very much at all. The only one I do realate to a bit, is Clive Barker, because of his...speech pattern? The way he speaks, the fluidity, his inflection and the way he forms thoughts (and injects/responds to jokes)-- the way it's analytical but also warm. It actually reminds me specifically of how I sound when I talk about "my stuff", or topics I know a heck ton about. Interesting!
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    Self-pres last 5 could seem like a bit of a contradiction. The classic depiction of 5, is that they want to withdraw for security. The self-preservation last 5 might seem more like another type at first, like 4, 6, 8, 9.

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    Of the ones I'm familiar with, the only (alleged) 5w4 so/sx I like at all is Ursula K. Le Guin. I haven't read much of her work, but I did read a few of her personal essays months ago and copied down this passage:

    "But when people walk on me you can see exactly where they put their feet, and when huge heavy things come and stand on me I yield and react and respond and give way and adapt and accept. No explosives are called for. No admiration is called for. I have my own nature and am true to it just as much as granite or even diamond is, but it is not a hard nature, or upstanding, or gemlike. You can't chip it. It's deeply impressionable. It's squashy.

    Maybe the people who rope themselves together and the huge heavy things resent such adaptable and uncertain footing because it makes them feel insecure. Maybe they fear they might be sucked in and swallowed. But I am not interested in sucking and am not hungry. I am just mud. I yield. I do try to oblige. And so when the people and the huge heavy things walk away they are not changed, except their feet are muddy, but I am changed. I am still here and still mud, but all full of footprints and deep, deep holes and tracks and traces and changes. I have been changed. You change me. Do not take me for granite."

    lol the last sentence kinda makes me cringe. I think this was in response to people accusing her of being emotionless or aloof or something. I'm not sure.

    Sounds more like a 9 than a typical 5, but I definitely believe 5s can feel this way, especially those who lack the grounded, rooted nature of sp.

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