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    I don't entirely understand the 6/authority thing myself, which was one reason I've wondered if I truly am 6. However, it seems to be normal for a phobic 6 (which I definitely am, though I have counterphobic aspects like a good sense of fun and adventure) to not have big authority "issues".

    I believe that rules and obedience are generally a good thing as long as you don't violate deeply held principles because of them (I'm thinking of the early apostles saying "we must obey God as ruler rather than men", although where it didn't contravene God's laws they wanted to follow secular laws for sure.) But in a way I'm more into social conventions and respect (Fe) than rules - not the same thing, though in some ways related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    I don't understand the 6 authority thing. I don't see that many people walking around being really super aware of authority figures as one of their main traits. how does this manifest?
    Knowing and respecting one's place in the social hierarchy.

    Edit - I should add that there is a distinction in attitude toward authority between the 6w5 and 6w7. They can more or less borrow from their respective wings' attitude toward authority. The 5 is indifferent to authority while the 7 is rebellious. Therefore, unless completely brainwashed, the 6 cannot be considered an obedient robot, but holds back some kind of personal regard toward authority that does not always make its presence known to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Knowing and respecting one's place in the social hierarchy.

    Edit - I should add that there is a distinction in attitude toward authority between the 6w5 and 6w7. They can more or less borrow from their respective wings' attitude toward authority. The 5 is indifferent to authority while the 7 is rebellious. Therefore, unless completely brainwashed, the 6 cannot be considered an obedient robot, but holds back some kind of personal regard toward authority that does not always make its presence known to others.
    hadn't heard this before. It fits for me as a 6w5 - I'm totally indifferent until they start abusing their job, which happens all too often in the case of say, cops. Not rebellious at all. Maybe a little disdainful, if they deserve it.

    edit: I think I like the idea of authority in theory but in practice, it depends on the person in the position of authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I don't entirely understand the 6/authority thing myself, which was one reason I've wondered if I truly am 6. However, it seems to be normal for a phobic 6 (which I definitely am, though I have counterphobic aspects like a good sense of fun and adventure) to not have big authority "issues".

    I believe that rules and obedience are generally a good thing as long as you don't violate deeply held principles because of them (I'm thinking of the early apostles saying "we must obey God as ruler rather than men", although where it didn't contravene God's laws they wanted to follow secular laws for sure.) But in a way I'm more into social conventions and respect (Fe) than rules - not the same thing, though in some ways related.
    The authority/security thing is how I knew I was absolutely a 6 and not a 4. When I finally understood the core motivation of 6 it's undeniable that it's what I am, and unsurprisingly 6w7s frequently confuse themselves with either 4w3 or 3w4...especially since 6 disintegrates at 3, and I'm an FP, which lends itself to 4-ish qualities, anyhoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    hadn't heard this before. It fits for me as a 6w5 - I'm totally indifferent until they start abusing their job, which happens all too often in the case of say, cops. Not rebellious at all. Maybe a little disdainful, if they deserve it.

    edit: I think I like the idea of authority in theory but in practice, it depends on the person in the position of authority.
    I think this could apply quite well to me too.

    Plus, what I said above about obedience to rules except where it would violate deeply held principles, that also implies obedience to the deeply held principles, of course. And security and feeling safe, mainly emotionally and in terms of having certain fundamental things nailed down in my life, are big for me.
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    I see, thank you Marm, Sky, Mal. It makes more sense to me now, it's almost a discovery for me though. For me, people matter or they don't matter. Like Sky said, vibes and stuff. But it's not intense. I didn't realize that people had these intense inner percieved authority battles until I read about sixes (and there are supposedly a lot of sixes?) It's rather fascinating. I'm sure the manifestation is slightly different in everybody, like you guys seem to be saying, it has to do with what one percieves to be an authortity figure and "social heiarchy"- which makes more sense to me now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    I see, thank you Marm, Sky, Mal. It makes more sense to me now, it's almost a discovery for me though. For me, people matter or they don't matter. Like Sky said, vibes and stuff. But it's not intense. I didn't realize that people had these intense inner percieved authority battles until I read about sixes (and there are supposedly a lot of sixes?) It's rather fascinating. I'm sure the manifestation is slightly different in everybody, like you guys seem to be saying, it has to do with what one percieves to be an authortity figure and "social heiarchy"- which makes more sense to me now.
    you're welcome

    and yeah. it's equally weird to find out that everyone doesn't feel the same way. i always wondered when i was little how other kids dared be so flighty and disrespectful. how they, for example, were comfortable in the houses of other kids when the other kids' parents were around. i was always very on edge about that.

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    Counterphobic 6's if out of control, can be rather frightening. They taunt authority with passive-aggressiveness or aggressiveness and then cry victim when the aggression is returned. It's a marvelous way to cry victim.

    If you apply The Karpman Drama Triangle Theory, the victim holds the most power. When an out of control cp6 plays victim, it can get to the level of perceived martyrdom. Truly frightening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    And that's when disagreements start, it's strange. Supposedly 6s and 9s are very complimentary types, maybe I just don't get 6s enough.
    Au contraire. 6's go best with 1's and 8's! See the irony?

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    If you require more insight into exactly what goes on with type six I recommend reading this link:

    http://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/type6.php

    Helen Parker took it a step further by proscribing that the 5 is a 'technical/logical exclusive' analyst, the 7 is a 'socially exclusive' analyst whereas the head space of the 6 is preoccupied by both the politic and the technical/logic therefore being anxious as a consequence of seeing where all of these factors trip up or succeed.

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