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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    how much time in conflict with this personality, should I expect to waste?
    I`d rather not have to stop and fight over mini details. is there a way
    ease through the fighting, even with unhealthy 8`s and move on to the
    things that need to get done quickly?
    if you're dealing with a healthy 8, almost none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Hmm...not necessarily about 8's but from what I've read about them and my own experience with 'strong openly ambitious personalities' - you have to deal with 8's head on. They will respect your expertise/qualifications and firmness and they can sense when you will back down or are intimidated. People like this will steamroll you or become real difficult if they see they can roll you. So don't be that person. You are the boss. Act like it. Be respectful but firm like a boss. Have a clear reasoning for why decisions are made, listen to what they are saying not how they are saying it. But at the end of the day, certain decisions are not up for debate and decision making is not a democracy and sometimes sometimes "this is the decision that was made I'm just telling" is all you need. It's true you want to stay on the 'good side' of difficult people but do NOT do it at the expense of common sense, team goals, or other relationships otherwise they will have you in their pocket, not the other way around. Some people have a lot of bark but part of being a boss is getting the job done.
    I like this, thank you czecze

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    if you're dealing with a healthy 8, almost none.
    You know, I don't know how common you think a healthy type is, but they're pretty rare, especially if you're going with the Riso-Hudson descriptions (in that case, they're a pipe dream). The majority of people tend to straddle in the average range and cross over into the healthy range when they're really happy or into the unhealthy range when stressed out.
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    run.



    just kidding.

    i dunno though. i feel like 8-6 is usually a bad combo. 8 likes to push and 6 hates being pushed. i have no desire to control anyone until they get up in my face. so it kind of works out badly :/

    i don't feel like those 8s in the video are intense, though, they all seem like calm spiritual types.

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    8 is unpopular in my field. When I do need to talk to (the only clear 8) in my workplace, I sense a communication barrier because everything needs to be brief and concise, like an unsaid rule. Socially, I'm fine with most people's 8ness.
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    The easiest way to avoid conflict is to understand that being questioned or challenged isn't necessarily a form of conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    The easiest way to avoid conflict is to understand that being questioned or challenged isn't necessarily a form of conflict.
    Stop questioning my avoidance!!! Stop fighting with me! Wahh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Stop questioning my avoidance!!! Stop fighting with me! Wahh!
    Classic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    The easiest way to avoid conflict is to understand that being questioned or challenged isn't necessarily a form of conflict.
    yeah, that's true.

    i think my problem with interacting with 8s is that i can feel their guard and that puts me on guard. so i have to drop my own guard to not escalate things - like you said, not interpreting challenge as conflict. but that's hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    yeah, that's true.

    i think my problem with interacting with 8s is that i can feel their guard and that puts me on guard. so i have to drop my own guard to not escalate things - like you said, not interpreting challenge as conflict. but that's hard.

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    No need to drop your guard and be wide open with an 8 in the workplace. If anything, I'd recommend against dropping your guard since motivations lean towards "for the good of the company and the 8" or some such combination. Just respond in as succinct and informative manner as possible without dropping your guard and you'll be fine.

    Any advice beyond this is difficult and where MBTI might help more than the enmasse 8's. ESTJ's are prone to micromanage. Many ENTJs hate to micromanage and if we've gotten to that level, it means we're seriously doubting your competence and you're probably going to get fired very soon.

    There's no doubt it takes two to tango but since the 8's everyone's talking about aren't here to amend or defend their behaviours, I can't suggest anything to them.

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