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    Only more obviously trusting because they are more extraverted (ie. it would be more obvious to everyone else). I know I trust people a bit too much, I might leave all of my valuables with strangers, my car unlocked, drive someone I don't even know home etc. I just assume that peoples intentions are always good, even when signs say that they aren't actually good people. Not sure if I'm an 8 or a 1 wing, and I don't care, I think they're both the same fundamentally.
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    This depends on where the trust is being placed.

    Is the trust being placed on subjective rules and morality, or is it being placed on objective rules and morality? Subjective and objective in Jungian terms, not the "Everything is subjective", subjective/objective. :-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limit View Post
    This depends on where the trust is being placed.

    Is the trust being placed on subjective rules and morality, or is it being placed on objective rules and morality? Subjective and objective in Jungian terms, not the "Everything is subjective", subjective/objective. :-P
    Can you explain that further?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    Can you explain that further?
    1s have a sense of internal (subjective) "perfectness" that is related to some type of outwardly (objective) standards they've adopted. They subordinate themselves to that external archetype (rules, friends, customs, etc) and view it as "perfect". External measures (objective) get placed internally, then projected back outwardly. 1s are those, in the alternating attitudes psychological type system (ie TeNiSeFi), that would have a dom or strong auxiliary, rational functions of the external attitude (Te, Fe). You're just not going to see a Type 1 ENFP.

    8s have a sense of external vindication or justice that is related to some type of inward standard. They rely on their personal archetypes and view them as the real means and disregard external measures that don't fit with their internal standards. Conversely to type 1, they are subordinated by their internal convictions and the "truth" that they created. In the Jungian cognitive styles, this would fit those with strong introverted rational functions like Fi and Ti.

    Now, that doesn't mean that 8s can't be Te/Fe. This "vindication or justice" is only half of the ego. There's also the emotional schema of 8s that involves lust.

    So how does this deal with trust? The 8 will you trust you more if you fit their internal beliefs more, while a 1 will trust you more if you uphold their external standards more.

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    9w1s probably worry a lot more about whether they can trust someone or not.

    9w8s aren't exactly the worrying type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    9w1s probably worry a lot more about whether they can trust someone or not.

    9w8s aren't exactly the worrying type.
    I don't think 9s are exactly the worrying type
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    9w1s probably worry a lot more about whether they can trust someone or not.

    9w8s aren't exactly the worrying type.
    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    I don't think 9s are exactly the worrying type
    Seems like, he got 9 mixed up with 6? Unless he was going on about disintegration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Rave View Post
    Seems like, he got 9 mixed up with 6? Unless he was going on about disintegration.
    Definitely heard the two types are similar. I thought Silkroad was a 9w1 for sure, turned out to be 6w5. A disintegrating 9 would trust too much right? or would they be like an unhealthy six and become super paranoid and think everybody hates them, they don't exist and then stop trusting anyone? hmmm...

    Pretty sure this thread can almost be closed now that Limit has spoken, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    Definitely heard the two types are similar. I thought Silkroad was a 9w1 for sure, turned out to be 6w5. A disintegrating 9 would trust too much right? or would they be like an unhealthy six and become super paranoid and think everybody hates them, they don't exist and then stop trusting anyone? hmmm...

    Pretty sure this thread can almost be closed now that Limit has spoken, lol.
    In a way, a disintegrating 9 would act more like a 6.

    Like needing to stick with a group, when the people of the group have been doing wrong.
    Still being with a wife or husband, for 40 years, even though he/she wanted a divorce for 40 years(I read this online somewhere....)

    Typically speaking, being with people for the sake of being with people so that "harmony" doesn't go to pieces... even if the 9 has to fake it. It is like a 6, but it is an unhealthy way of going on about a 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Rave View Post
    In a way, a disintegrating 9 would act more like a 6.

    Like needing to stick with a group, when the people of the group have been doing wrong.
    Still being with a wife or husband, for 40 years, even though he/she wanted a divorce for 40 years(I read this online somewhere....)

    Typically speaking, being with people for the sake of being with people so that "harmony" doesn't go to pieces... even if the 9 has to fake it. It is like a 6, but it is an unhealthy way of going on about a 6.
    Yeah, I'd say you've got it right. Right now, for example, I need to quit a job and I just can't bring myself to do it because I don't want this person to be upset with me. Even though it causes crazy amounts of stress for me as is, it will also cause stress if I speak up. I'd say the hardest thing for me is the catch-22 of needing to get out of a situation because it's destroying my peace of mind but speaking up will also disrupt my peace. So which do I do? Either way there's conflict to deal with.

    When I was younger and irresponsible I would just stop showing up at a job. I did this a lot. But I can't do that any longer. And it sure didn't solve any problems in my past, all the running away.

    I had a thought about six vs nine and stress. Stress seems to give sixes energy, that's why they're often very brave when they actually need to be. Stress just makes me shut down. I forget how to function. It feels very much like an unnatural/foreign state for me, stress/ anxiety. That's why I avoid it like the plague. I'm guessing this is a nine thing.

    In other words, the one thing I think that makes nines worry is the possibility of something threatening their peace of mind. Being chiller than most is the cornerstone of the personality, so having that altered... can cause some mental trauma.

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