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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    that was american society in the 80s. american society nowadays is all about being "green", false humble and looking like you give all of your time and recources to helping starving children in africa
    Nope, I'm pretty sure "I'm better than you just because I have money" is still a really strong American value, and appears to be the entire bent of our current corporatized manifestation of capitalism.

    I know some French girls who are here for a few months who are HORRIFIED by America. They can't fathom how badly everything is slanted toward big business and profit at the expense of most of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Nope, I'm pretty sure "I'm better than you just because I have money" is still a really strong American value, and appears to be the entire bent of our current corporatized manifestation of capitalism.

    I know some French girls who are here for a few months who are HORRIFIED by America. They can't fathom how badly everything is slanted toward big business and profit at the expense of most of the population.
    that's called corporatism, not capitalism. I'm an objectivist, I think corporatism is evil as hell. what I really meant more was "I'm better than you, I'm sophisticated". should have worded it better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    that's called corporatism, not capitalism. I'm an objectivist, I think corporatism is evil as hell. what I really meant more was "I'm better than you, I'm sophisticated." should have worded it better
    Okay, then you'll fit right in with the French.

    Seriously, though, I think merit in this country is still measured by money, for the most part, even to the point of ridiculousness. You need neither intelligence nor kindness nor class, you just need to die with the most toys.

    I agree with you that corporatism is a form of capitalism, and that it is definitely not the sum total of capitalism.

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    The reason he got away with it was because everyone was so shallow and self absorbed, the lawyer didn't have dinner with Paul in London, but misstated someone for Paul in the same way Bateman is mistaken for Halberstram by Paul, and Bryce is mistaken for Baxter. All the men were virtually clones of one another, they all wore designer suits, all liked restaurants, coke, clubs and keeping up appearances, none of them cared about anyone except themselves so they didn't notice Batemans killings.

    When Bateman returned to the apartment, the movie gave the impression it was within a few days, in the book it was about 6 months. IMO the real estate agent told him not to come back because she thought he knew "the truth" as she perceived it, that Paul killed the hookers (in the book when Bateman kills people in the apartment he writes "I'm Back!!!" in blood on the walls.) Det. Kimble said he probably went a "little nutso" when talking to Bateman about his disappearance - so she was edgy because his family probably wanted it kept quiet so the apartment could've been sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Okay, then you'll fit right in with the French.

    Seriously, though, I think merit in this country is still measured by money, for the most part, even to the point of ridiculousness. You need neither intelligence nor kindness nor class, you just need to die with the most toys.
    I agree with you that corporatism is a form of capitalism, and that it is definitely not the sum total of capitalism.
    this is the part I don't get. why does anyone care how much expensive stuff you have when you die? in fact, why does anyone care about having a reputation in the first place. it takes so much work to maintain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    this is the part I don't get. why does anyone care how much expensive stuff you have when you die? in fact, why does anyone care about having a reputation in the first place. it takes so much work to maintain
    Spoken like a true - 8?? Maybe type 9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    that was american society in the 80s. american society nowadays is all about being "green", false humble and looking like you give all of your time and recources to helping starving children in africa
    If you are true, that mean that America looks like France nowadays. Sad.

    I know some French girls who are here for a few months who are HORRIFIED by America. They can't fathom how badly everything is slanted toward big business and profit at the expense of most of the population.
    French girls are...special. Actually, aren't every liberal american girls like this too? In France, most people would be considered as leftist according to american criteria. I think Elfboys was talking about americans liberals more than americans overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    this is the part I don't get. why does anyone care how much expensive stuff you have when you die? in fact, why does anyone care about having a reputation in the first place. it takes so much work to maintain
    i don't really find it that hard to maintain a decent reputation. i think it's really intrinsic to who i am to do so, so it's basically second nature. i think enneagram-wise reputation is just another tool... more or less useful depending on what you're trying to get. 2s most want to be loved, 3s most want to be admired, 6s most want to be secure, so for us reputation is often a big piece of that puzzle. at least for me, so much so that it's hard to not maintain a good reputation. i suspect the same is true of a good friend of mine who is a 3 - it would be hard for us to just not pay attention to what people will think. i don't know if that's true for all 3s and 6s, but at least it is for us. and i don't mean that to say we'll necessarily do what people will approve of, but we're more aware when we're doing something that they won't. whereas 7s and 8s in particular i think wouldn't be very affected by reputation, and so probably are less likely to be constantly aware.

    as for toys... eh, i like toys. but once you get in the upper ranks of society i think class starts to play a bigger role. in certain circles it's all about one-upping in any way you can... money can do that, but so can being part of an elite that money can't buy your way into. it's not how much of any one thing you have... it's in how many different ways you can one-up the other person... though of course ultimately that's a hollow game.

    as for 3 - when people tell you that you seem to live a "perfect" life.

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    When people give compliment abour yourself you are self-depreciating and remind that it's above all due to what you do, but when you receive a compliment about your brand new car, you take that as a compliment for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Nope, I'm pretty sure "I'm better than you just because I have money" is still a really strong American value, and appears to be the entire bent of our current corporatized manifestation of capitalism.

    I know some French girls who are here for a few months who are HORRIFIED by America. They can't fathom how badly everything is slanted toward big business and profit at the expense of most of the population.
    I would think such opinions were formulated long before they arrived in the US. Ask anybody in Europe about the US and they will tell you ALLLL about it - even though they've never visited.

    It's hard to find a French person who isn't HORRIFIED by nearly every other country in the world, except of course Russia.
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