Yes, that makes sense, although I think sometimes with clingier people it can be hard getting some sort of boundary up that is not rigid. And then having to remember all the different walls for different people.I just go have some alone time and then rise back up out of my hermit cave when I am ready to face them again. If it's bad, I lessen my contact with them but it is a balance cutting it off and not being being dismissive.
Yes, the nine stages of unhealth to health for each type are pretty clearly delineated within Riso's enneagram materials.Originally Posted by Nerdgirl
Gotcha.Originally Posted by Arclight
Gotcha.Thus the Fe is the counter to completely closing off and also the vessel for communicating what Ni and Ti ascertain.
Note: You are using "anti-social" to mean two different things there.As with 5 being analytical and withdrawing in nature.
Both e5 and Ni/Ti are anti social by nature.
However human beings are not anti social by nature.
E5 and Ni/Ti, by your earlier definitions, ARE anti-social by nature.
Giving the choice between engaging and not engaging, they detach, to get a better, safer perspective.
Your definition of "anti-social" for the second half of your comment ("human beings are not anti-social by nature") refers to the general concept of "no man is an island" and that we all need some level of human contact.
Yes. INFJs and E5s are DIFFERENT animals... but each is human, and thus each is not an island, and each needs some level of connection with other human beings in order to become fulfilled or at least reach their optimal stage of health, since we teach each other things we don't naturally know.So even the most extreme and rare types such as INFJs and e5s still have a social drive built in.
But this is different from the "withdrawal" nature described in Enneagram theory.
You cannot define, logically, the need to connect with other humans to be "Fe" -- which is a very specific way to see/engage the world. Logically, you're comparing two things that might both look small, red, and round from a distance, but in reality one is an apple and the other is a small rubber ball... hence, not the same.I am describing this social drive as Fe or w4 w6.
You can't really define Fe to be whatever form of human connection you want it to be.
- MBTI Fe = specific way to perceive/engage the world, prioritizing interpersonal values
- social needs = the basic, generalized need for every human being regardless of MBTI type to engage and interact with others on SOME level
Well, I do agree with you there!Ignoring them is perilous and unhealthy.