Yeah, I'm not suggesting more detachment and mistrust- and I absolutely agree that the more vulnerable you make yourself, the stronger you'll become. My point was to add the caveat that it's important to pay attention to automatic thoughts while doing so, and in so doing- learn to assert one's will a bit more (which moves e5'ers closer to their e8 integration point). Without simultaneously working on the reason detachment is an issue in the first place- deciding to simply 'trust' is almost like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. [edit:] That last statement is based on my own experience. I'm no Spring Chicken, and self-fulfilling prophecies are a bitch.