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  1. #231
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwace View Post
    Maybe you're just an 8w9 with a 9 fast wing, I'm just browsing through the first few pages of the thread. Collective opinion states 7w8 or 8w9, so it would make sense that you could have fast 9 wing.

    Will edit more.

    Edit: This is my opinion and as such you may choose to discredit it. I'm seeing a lot of identification and that would be characteristic of 3s. Unfortunately PerN is down -- they have this great article on how to find your enneagram.

    That being said I do remember having, or rather, making a thread of which I was "holding" onto a type and "made myself" into it, which is identification, as well as the type 3 behavior. My point is different types are similar, so it is important to find your main motivation. I was confused between 3w2 and 8w9 -- initially they typed me 3w2 because of the way I am at class but once it got down to the essence of why I was being that way, it was because I wanted to prove my strength, to people, to my mother, especially -- that I'm not a dumb failure.
    Your confusion with 8 and 1 would be rather difficult I presume because of the core emotions being the same so I suggest you take a look at your *recent* behavior. The past does not exist, because as a kid you may have gone through traumatizing experiences which could alter your personality.

    There are Helen Palmer tapes posted by Limit so I hope that these may be of help to your self-discovery.

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    PS: you remind me of myself back in PerN where I was notorious for changing my type like clothes. I'm not implying you do, it's just that yeah I know the "pain" of not being able to know your true type is because you're just not convinced. It would be of great help if we could read Jung's Psychological Types or even Don and Riso's book so that we can be enlightened. For now the basis of my typing is what seems to be closest to me, but I'm just not convinced yet.
    that's precisely the same reason why I'm pretty confident I'm not a 3. I have tons of three-ish behaviors (enjoying dressing professionally, ambitious, entrepreneural, enjoy high status activities) but my motivations are the polar opposite. I can't maintain appearences for more than an hour before I have to go hide in the bathroom the rest of the night and recoup myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The question I've been pondering was not how you felt before you hit her, but how you felt right afterward. And then, how you feel about it years later. I'm referring to your Fi feelings about values which you say were "still working in the background," assuming Fi.
    Fi/Ne gave me the intrapersonal intelligence to know that wanting to punch her was more because i wanted to physically vent than because I thought what she was doing was evil. I was rationalizing my anger by saying that she deserved all the physical punishment I could give her but Fi was like "nigga please".
    nowadays though, I probably be like "eww! you whore" in a non chalant sort of way and smirk/chuckle to myself once she'd walked by
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I wouldn't say self doubting as much as "self skeptical" (less fear/insecurity driven) but this could point to 6 (as well as 5 or 4)
    I agree you're not driven by fear as that is a lower-level aspect of your type. But your ENTJ shell is a counterphobic response to internal stresses which were invoked by external conflicts that you neither asked for nor wanted. The motives which drive you, as described in your bio, are not external but primarily internal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    The only way you're going to get to your type elfboy is by stepping back and disengaging from it, as many have already mentioned. It really doesn't seem to me (and others here) that you have a clear understanding of yourself, and that can take a long time develop. It can take years to create a complete understanding of the Enneagram and how it connects to reality, so many types overlap and manifest in different ways.
    I understand all the parts of myself, my motivations, my ambitions, my fears; I just don't know which one's are less/more prevelant. I'm not a very fearful person to begin with (although I'm aware enneagram is more complicated than that) and ever since I learned that it was possible to become rich, my philosophy has been "why choose? I want everything. I just need to figure out how to get it." essentially it boils down to my greatest desire is to do what I want and my biggest fear is not doing what I want or someone preventing me from doing what I want (of course, this doesn't help enneagram typing me does it lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Fi/Ne gave me the intrapersonal intelligence to know that wanting to punch her was more because i wanted to physically vent than because I thought what she was doing was evil. I was rationalizing my anger by saying that she deserved all the physical punishment I could give her but Fi was like "nigga please".
    nowadays though, I probably be like "eww! you whore" in a non chalant sort of way and smirk/chuckle to myself once she'd walked by
    That last part describes the very essence of the type 6 behavior pattern. It could be a smirk, or a derisive chuckle, or something like that, but it's always the same wordless negative kind of value-judgment. It is a projection of how you feel about yourself. To say you were venting off anger is just the tip of the iceberg.

    The first paragraph describes the valuing, morally self-controlled side of the Six.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    That last part describes the very essence of the type 6 behavior pattern. It could be a smirk, or a derisive chuckle, or something like that, but it's always the same wordless negative kind of value-judgment. It is a projection of how you feel about yourself. To say you were venting off anger is just the tip of the iceberg.

    The first paragraph describes the valuing, morally self-controlled side of the Six.
    it sounds like the main problem of type 6 is mostly "whoa! I'm completely off balance and confused! what do I do?! "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I understand all the parts of myself, my motivations, my ambitions, my fears; I just don't know which one's are less/more prevelant. I'm not a very fearful person to begin with (although I'm aware enneagram is more complicated than that) and ever since I learned that it was possible to become rich, my philosophy has been "why choose? I want everything. I just need to figure out how to get it." essentially it boils down to my greatest desire is to do what I want and my biggest fear is not doing what I want or someone preventing me from doing what I want (of course, this doesn't help enneagram typing me does it lol)
    Riso related this similarity between the 8 and 6:

    "Although we have mentioned the counterphobic approach to the Six, the Eight really represents the counterphobic approach to life par excellence."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    it sounds like the main problem of type 6 is mostly "whoa! I'm completely off balance and confused! what do I do?! "
    At one level yes, at another level no. Your super-ego, which basically spoke to you in time to prevent further violence, is more helpful than confusing. But that's not to say 8s don't have a super-ego to prevent their aggressions from running amok.
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    Let's try a different approach, Elfboy: over the past few years, what kind of personal demons did you have to overcome, pervasive habits and cycles that you have to make an effort to curb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    it sounds like the main problem of type 6 is mostly "whoa! I'm completely off balance and confused! what do I do?! "
    yeah kinda. for me it's like, there's so much information and so many different ideas and possibilities. i know how i'd like to feel, but i don't always know how to get that. when i don't feel the way i want, i'm worried about how to get there, and when i do feel the way i want, i'm worried about hanging onto that feeling. it's easy when i'm sheltered and when i know all the rules, because i understand the system, but it's hard in the big world where things are so often subtle and concealed. how can i anchor myself so i know where i'm coming from and where i'm going, and so that i don't have to worry all the time?

    when i finally let go - move to 9, i guess - it's a wonderful feeling. i don't have to try to meta-think all the time. it's like when you're on a really intense rollercoaster and you're tense at first but then you just let go and let the forces pass through your body, and you flow along with them instead of resisting. it's like becoming one with the world.

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