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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I don't necessarily agree but that would actually make a lot of sense. my childhood was almost archtypical of an INFP and 5 integrates to 8.
    You don't strike me as either a withdrawn type or an introvert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    You don't strike me as either a withdrawn type or an introvert.
    Actually, withdrawing and introversion are among the most obvious traits with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    my charming side is definitely not my disintegrated side. I enjoy beling polite, friendly and charming sometimes, but it's not reputation or appearence motivated.
    I understand that. I toss out possibilities, but I do know it has nothing to do with 8 integrating to 2. Three is one obvious possibility, but based on further evidence it's not a move between points but, originally, an up-leveling of type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Actually, withdrawing and introversion are among the most obvious traits with him.
    Elfboy? There is withdrawing, then bouncing back to life again, then withdrawing. I call that ambiversion.

    When typing someone I personally don't start with key motivations or even type descriptions. I begin with intuitive stereotypes and then watch for more evidence to see if that first impression fits. For the 6, my stereotype would best be described as "the nice person." For the 8 (no offense to the 8s in the audience), my stereotype is "neanderthal."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Elfboy? There is withdrawing, then bouncing back to life again, then withdrawing. I call that ambiversion.

    When typing someone I personally don't start with key motivations or even type descriptions. I begin with intuitive stereotypes and then watch for more evidence to see if that first impression fits. For the 6, my stereotype would best be described as "the nice person." For the 8 (no offense to the 8s in the audience), my stereotype is "neanderthal."
    lol that's Sensor 8s. INTJs are frequently 8-ish and never give off that vibe. I don't give off either of the vibes you mentioned at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    lol that's Sensor 8s. INTJs are frequently 8-ish and never give off that vibe. I don't give off either of the vibes you mentioned at all
    Not unless somebody tells you, as you described in a comment above, that you are a "nice guy." So obviously you were giving off the "nice guy" vibe at that time, which I called "phase 4" of your bio. And it doesn't sound like that vibe has changed much since that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Not unless somebody tells you, as you described in a comment above, that you are a "nice guy." So obviously you were giving off the "nice guy" vibe at that time, which I called "phase 4" of your bio. And it doesn't sound like that vibe has changed much since that time.
    I don't give that vibe off until you really get to know me though, and even then it's more a "oh, you're not a douche bag" vibe than specifically a nice guy vibe
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Core motivations are desires. They are more or less based off fears depending upon one's level of development. Fear drives us to pursue these desires in more destructive ways, but fear is not necessarily present. When fear (anxiety, really) is entirely absent, then we are spiritually and psychologically free to move on to our type's point of integration in the pursuit of desires.
    Even so, knowing what motivates oneself doesn't take that much effort, it's often clearly present in ones actions and thoughts.

    However, since you're partly addressing me, I have been quoting Riso who reportedly spent much time riding buses and taking copious notes of the people seated around him. This statement also applies to much of what you wrote just below this.
    The problem with this is that its nothing more than the casual observations of but one man. It's not a reliable tested assessement and I'd be somewhat skeptical of it, in terms of the really complicated matters. Like, knowing fears and motivations is fairly reasonable, as we all have something that drives us, but all this stuff about growth, disintegration, wings, and such, in the absence of reliable and objective data, is nonsensical.

    I certainly agree with the idea of core or key motivations of types, although it seems too rigid and archetypal to be applied in reality. All other motives reduce to a single one. I'm just saying that one cannot know their own key motivation without reading an Enneagram book and believing what is written there. A typical criticism of this idea would ask why only one key motivation and not two or a dozen. Why all the psychological reductionism, hasn't psychology grown beyond Freud?
    Not true, I knew damn well what my motivations in life were long before I even heard of the enneagram. Also, if psychological reductionism is going to be applied anywhere, it should be in the additional details of the enneagram, not the main part of it; less focus on intergration and health level, more focus on finding individual motivations. Once parts of it are fully defined and tested, only then can the true knowledge of factors like health levels and processes into other types be known.


    Elfboy described that as one phase out of many. If you look back at his informative bio, there were various periods which he represented by some key behaviors. He vaguely mentioned some motivations but none of them match up with key motivations. Anger was one such motivation. Being a hero to others was another motivation.

    There were five distinctly spelled-out phases to his childhood into adulthood. 1. The defender/protector/hero phase; 2. being picked on by bullies and retreating into a shell/confusion/caution phase; 3. an anger phase (although he was not aware of being angry), learning to defend himself primarily verbally, as you pointed out; 4. another quiet phase, not so much socially withdrawn this time but more of a self-confident charmer; 5. college, and drawing on his 3-ish ability to appear as one ennea-type while being another.

    If I were forced to abandon the idea that he is a 6w5 I would have to go with 3, but with the wing type unknown. 6w5 still fits him better than any other type, to my mind. But not the 8 who willfully seeks out conflict, whereas he seemingly only attracted it at phase 3 as a kind of magnet for trouble.

    I often use the "unknown-wing" to eliminate the wing's core type as a possibility.

    That being said, I haven't denied that much of what Elfboy writes on himself comes across like the 8, although, among other things, he was rather too quiet and sensitive a child for that. Self-describing as a charming adult comes across as a higher-level 6, far far more than 8 or 3. Three's become charming as a manipulative ploy. Sixes simply want to make a good impression for various, more healthy reasons, mostly I think simply because they ENJOY being around other people.
    You may be write in your assessment of him, I do see reasons for why he could be 3, or 6, or 8, etc. Although, Elfboy now also knows of another route to help him discover his type

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I don't give that vibe off until you really get to know me though, and even then it's more a "oh, you're not a douche bag" vibe than specifically a nice guy vibe
    That was part of your transition from phase 3 to phase 4, in which you had a previous reputation as a "douche bag" until your senior year of high school when some girl mentioned you seemed like a nice guy after all.

    So what kind of vibes do you give off before someone has a chance to get to know you better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    That was part of your transition from phase 3 to phase 4, in which you had a previous reputation as a "douche bag" until your senior year of high school when some girl mentioned you seemed like a nice guy after all.

    So what kind of vibes do you give off before someone has a chance to get to know you better?
    I don't know where to begin, I give off several. most of the common ones are people say I have a "big" personality, polarizing, intense, firebrand, charismatic
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