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    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHLj_TrwB4I&feature=player_embedded#at=377 "]3 threes and a 6[/YOUTUBE]

    this is interview with 3 Threes and 1 Six (man). Maybe it helps you The guy is INFP i think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
    Yes, introspective as any NFP! has not much to fo with MBTI
    Fact is that there's not INFP type 3, and type 3 ENFPs are often introspective, but hardly let this prevent the job or the success.

    ANd what u said a few times about being a kid who would jump on tables and dance and attract attention is very three and very much not six
    I was also like this as a kid and I'm not a 3.


    1) 3s are, unlike 7s, not narcissistic without merit because they have esteem based on success - so they are pretty much self critical and self aware
    2) Threes arent born to be competitive, unaware shallow beings - they are born to become the most authentic of all types (in enneagram gift is what makes most problems at the same time), so healthy 3 would be "I dont take this fake BS anymore! enough! I want to be authentic and havd my own goals and values. " and can very easily spot BS/masks in other people bc they have seen through themselves and their potential blind spots
    Ex., i am 1000% i am a 3 and i kind of even despise fake tendencies in me to a point of doing everythinng to become authentic. I think i am more self critical than most non-3s in this aspect because i am awakened and ive seen through my own masks.
    It goes with being NF and not tolerating inauthentic life
    ESTJ 3 would tolerate it for much longer if not forever
    In my own case there is also asoect that i had many huge personal tragedies that urged md in the last few yrs to search for myself and not take my own BS.

    And last and most important ; comment on general direction of this thread : Enneagram is NOT DESCRIPTIVE system!!!!!!
    All of this is true.

    But, seriously Skylight, I can totally relate on what you say. I'm very image concious and I want to be approved by others and popular, always try to present a seducive image and avoid negative reputation, except when I'm counterphobic and I deliberately be provocative and bad boyish. If you are a 6w7 Sx/So, that totally makes sense since it assumed that that variant is 3ish-4ish-7ish. Have you seen the list of people from this variant in my previous psot? I can put several examples of Sx/So, but I don't think it really fits.

    3w2 Sx/So
    Elvis Presley:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNFa6WFIXI0
    Carmen Electra:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFeVP...F7B0850E1513E1
    Britney Spears:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZox6jfWUk

    3w4 Sx/So
    David Bowie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVLLoVvHSOw
    Madonna:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPO-...eature=related
    Gwen Stefani:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRUaN...eature=related
    Paris Hilton:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSCrSdq0xTM

    What is interesting is that most part of these 3s display signs of shyness, awkwardness and anxiety and a lovable self-depreciating behavior wich are typically associated with Type 6. But we can see that their initial impulse is an impule of activity wich flows from the Heart.
    EsTP 6w7 Sx/Sp

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    E=60% S=55% T=70% P=80%

    "I don't believe in guilt, I only believe in living on impulses"

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    petra, i just watched that video a couple days ago! it's hard for me to distinguish between 6/facilitator/man and 3/guest/woman, though. and he's an I while they all seem like Es. i'm more energetic but less self-assured... i feel like my energy falls in between...

    speed, i do come off more like a 6w7, i'm pretty sure. there's something... not soft? about 3s. whereas i am soft. if that makes sense. i don't know if it does.

    i did the typoc video challenge, i'll post it in the new little blog i made if anyone wants to actually listen, but i figured i'd just transcribe it...

    what makes you angry?
    • false accusations, false representation of people, when people try to make others look bad, how humans are using nuclear energy without properly understanding how to contain it or dispose of the waste... i hate when people harm or risk harming the greater good for personal profit. i understand wanting to personally achieve, i totally do, but don't do it at the expense of radiation exposure to families and the ocean, you assholes

    what do you like/dislike most about people?
    • i love to see them light up when they talk about what they're passionate about, it's so wonderful to see someone go from dull to suddenly sparked and glowing with love. i like being with people, having fun with them! i dislike the “clusterfuck effect”... big group, bad decisions, everyone goes along with it (not to godwin my own thread, but nazis, prime example)

    do you like animals and why?
    • definitely, love cats, dogs, horses, bunnies, fish, ocean creatures. there's something really cool, kind of ethereal about animals. pets are sweet and fun, generally, a different sort of relationship than humans. i think having these sort of brothers and sisters on the planet is really cool in the big picture.

    what do you like most about the people in your life?
    • totally unconditional love, so grounding, it's the most incredible thing. and i like making people smile... i love close relationships. they generally just get better and better with time, and it's really cool to be able to look back on past and see how you've grown. it's really neat how personalities play counterpoint to one another (considered talking about individual people on this one, but it would take hours)

    what do you like most/least about yourself?
    • like: my curiosity, sense of humanity, sense of unity. unity is really important, humans are social creatures. i understand that some people prefer to be alone, but i mean unity in the sense of being on good terms – supporting and respecting others. if we stand together, even if we disagree, it helps everyone. what i dislike: really bad tendency to be lazy then try to cover it up. because i really want to achieve ideal, and don't want to lose respect, but just haven't done what i need to do! wish i could “always be on”, but i really can't.

    do you care about being fashionable?
    • yes and no, i really do like to be appropriate for occasions, and i don't mind keeping up with trends, i think it's sort of fun, but at the same time i have my own sense of style and i like being stylish in that way. i'm pretty aesthetically-oriented and fortunately i've never experienced much dissonance between what i like and what i choose to wear and what others find aesthetically appealing. i take a lot of pride in being able to express my self in a way that others appreciate.

    do you prefer to fit in or stand out?
    • same thing again, i don't like to catch people's attention in a negative way, but i do enjoy being noticed for good things. i don't have any particular desire to conform just to conform, but belonging and unity is important to me, and i think there's something really cool about a whole group dressing up relatively the same but with some individual variation (i do dislike the stepford effect). like you know and recognize one another as being united and similar in so many ways but you're still each individually yourselves, and you can be proud of both of those things.

    what activities do you enjoy?
    • writing, horseback riding, painting, pottery, swimming, psychology obviously! going on vacations, traveling, going to the beach. i like thinking about the future and making lists, and i really really love just being around the people i'm close to, my parents and SO and closest friends.

    what makes you feel secure?
    • the people i love, pretty places, having a direction in life. which is funny, because i'm kind of lazy, but i really hate not having work to do.

    do you like being in a relationship?
    • yeah, i do. i like having someone to take care of and i like having someone who's interested in me. mutual love and support, i think it's great. sometimes i'm a lot to handle but i like to think that i'm worth it!

    what do you love and why? people-things-places?
    • i love the places i grew up, the place i went to school... i'm a pretty attached person, i get really attached to things. love my parents, my SO, my close friends, certain material things that carry meaning – trinkets/jewellery someone gave me, photos, etc. i love ideas and systems. i love the ocean because it's magical in so many ways, it's like a little glimpse of beautiful infinity. i love exploring and travelling. i think it's fascinating. there are so many neat cultures to learn about. and i love thunderstorms!

    what do you spend the most time thinking about?
    • relationships with people... self-improvement, i think about that a lot... who i am and who i want to be... crazy ideas about the world, life in general. i like theorizing and categorizing and stacking systems... i think about ideals, feeling atmospheres, aesthetics. how to bring things together.

    how have you changed over the years?
    • i was a pretty quiet young child, very inquisitive, imaginative, curious, open, slightly competitive. i've gotten more social, mainly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    omg, she is so cute haha


    skylights - well how do you feel about failing ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I was also like this as a kid and I'm not a 3.
    how do you know ?



    But, seriously Skylight, I can totally relate on what you say. I'm very image concious and I want to be approved by others and popular, always try to present a seducive image and avoid negative reputation, except when I'm counterphobic and I deliberately be provocative and bad boyish. If you are a 6w7 Sx/So, that totally makes sense since it assumed that that variant is 3ish-4ish-7ish. Have you seen the list of people from this variant in my previous psot? I can put several examples of Sx/So, but I don't think it really fits.
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    I dont agree with this, look at vid above that I posted with 3 Threes and 1 six, male. could you EVER say he is projecting a persona ? I WOULD NEVER SAY IT. anxiety is so dominant in his personality. and look at the title of this thread; skylights is somewhat sure she is in image triad.

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    very embarrassed by failing, but i can't say i really know anyone who is happy about it... if i do fail, which is rare, i will try to hide it. or be very very up front about it, joking and talking about how i plan to fix it, if there is no getting around it.

    i can relate to this guy


    more than her


    i was listening to my thoughts today in class, trying to keep track. i think a lot about how my answers are going to come off. when i should answer, whether i've spoken too much, whether i've spoken enough, making sure my point is insightful and intelligent, or funny. of course i listen to the course material, too, but i spend a lot of time checking myself. i have to admit that i just noticed today that i have the annoying habit of slipping in a mention of some impressive thing i have done (it's to give proof of authority to make my point, but i think it could come off as stuck up), though that may in part be a result of hanging around my best friend, who tends to do that. and i do want to be noticed by the prof, very much so. i want to be one of the best students in the class, and i want him to know that. anyway, after class there was a raffle donation thing where you could put a dollar in a certain professor's box to "vote" for them, and i was going to do it for my prof, but i thought it would be rather awkward for him to see me doing that so i ran through my old text messages while waiting for him to leave the area before putting my dollar in.

    this video


    really makes me lean towards 6. i'm a bit more sparkly/animated than they are, but that could easily be w7 sx. i think i'd be more comfortable in that group. it'd be easier to relate, more comfortable than the 3s. i also want to cheer up their looks a bit, they're rather dark/drab on the whole! not that they don't look nice, they just are in a lot of muted colors and fairly conservative outfits... i tend to be a bit more... hm, stylish or something, more standing out


    the thing that i find sort of fascinating is that i never really grew up without authority figures to look up to and to answer to (in addition to my parents, i mean, but they are protective themselves), so it's really no wonder to me that i tend to export my focus to others.

    sorry guys... i am obviously anxious and loyal and competitive and image-aware... lol... right now i'm leaning towards aesthetic, overachieving 6w7 sx/so -- if only because i don't have such a drive to produce. i do get myself involved in quite a lot but i don't tend to jump ahead for it, trailblaze, i usually tend to find out about things through someone else, or after someone has done them, you know?

    this also sounds like me when i am unhealthy: Level 5: To resist having more demands made on them, they react against others passive-aggressively. Become evasive, indecisive, cautious, procrastinating, and ambivalent. Are highly reactive, anxious, and negative, giving contradictory, "mixed signals." Internal confusion makes them react unpredictably. -- and this when i am at my bestest: Level 1 (At Their Best): Become self-affirming, trusting of self and others, independent yet symbiotically interdependent and cooperative as an equal. Belief in self leads to true courage, positive thinking, leadership, and rich self-expression.

    *looks at petra's kidney*

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    my kidney is safe!


    If I am understanding it correctly; it seems like you think you cant be 3/ you are a 6, is because you are (in your perception) insecure, unsure of yourself. But that is not related so much to enneagram, every type can be anxious and insecure, its more related to social enviorment where you grew up, MBTI type maybe (FP ase more fragile beings, imo)... so OF COURSE you think that your exterior resembles more to Sixes than to Threes, but again, I dont think its about exterior. You said you have A DRIVE to go to a top tier school and like, even though you know its not good match <- that's so Three-ish you cant get much more 3! So you have occasional sparks of drive, and if you are not always like that it doesnt mean you're not Three, it means other elements of your personality are playing into this. Indecisive ENFP wouldnt exactly be able to stick to one thing.
    6 would NEVER have fantazies and ambitions about going to top tier school (only for sake of going, not because it is a good match) and would never phrase it in that way.
    And what you said about failure is actually not true, non-threes dont respond to failure the way 3s do, 3 has drive not to fail that is very strong. This is a line from one book about Threes; (and if you noticed, most people confused about their type on forum were 3s. because 3s tend to be most confused about it!) " Threes have a particular challenge to recognize their traits because of the value of those traits placed in society. Our society is very Three-oriented. Remember SJ types from the backbone of our culture. (...) Often Threes fail (no pun intended) to recognize themselves in Three description because it seems like a normal behavior based on society's values. ........."

    You can also see if you are a Three by your physical reaction in your body when you get praise, approval, when someone likes you, and when someone dislikes you or you fail. You feel a bit adrenaline rush if you "look" good. And like someone kicked you in your stomach if you dont look good. Also, I think you're very individualistic, too much for a 6.
    Quote Originally Posted by skylights
    very embarrassed by failing, but i can't say i really know anyone who is happy about it... if i do fail, which is rare, i will try to hide it. or be very very up front about it, joking and talking about how i plan to fix it, if there is no getting around it.
    Textbook 3. Sorry.

    Now I'm really stopping to post in this thread. I'd still put my kidney btw. IF ANYBODY CARES lol. Who cares about Petra's kidney, it's imp to prove SKY is 6

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    I know that I have said 4 (but I meant 4w3) a while ago. But that opinion was based on pretty much nothing since I don't come across your posts most of the time. Plus you make sure that your Fi is visable. However I can clearly see you as a panicked 3 when I read some of this. Also the fact that you relate more to this or that person could simply be because of cultural , social, personal or some other differances. So I would not be suprised that you relate more to the FP 6 than STJ 3.


    Actually my father is stereotypical 6 (ISFP) and I don't see you as that similar to him. Something in a way to think or treat people simply is not 6ish.
    On the other hand if you have strong Fi that multiplies your fears, you are an extrovert who wants to be protected and you are supposed to grow into a 6 or behave more like one there are good odds that you will think you are 6. Plus I would bet that your feelings are telling you that you don't want to be rated as a person who cares that much what others people think. Or perhaps your thoughts are telling you that you are not a 3 because you are not a celebrity. (what in a way could imply that you are failing in life if you are a 3)




    I could be wrong but I think that a 3 could be your real type.

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    I'm inclined to say 3w4. you strike me as a healty 3 more than an unhealthy 6. ENFP 3s look like 6s just as ENFP 8s look like 1s. this is further complicated by the number of contrasting traits between NFP and 3

    Enneagram 3 (Average/Unhealty Levels)
    Image Conscious
    extroverted
    workaholic
    unaware of feelings
    organized
    crowd pleasing

    ENFPs and INFPs
    deep
    introspective
    scatterbrained
    self aware
    disorganized
    genuine

    what do you spend the most time thinking about?
    •relationships with people... self-improvement, i think about that a lot... who i am and who i want to be... crazy ideas about the world, life in general. i like theorizing and categorizing and stacking systems... i think about ideals, feeling atmospheres, aesthetics. how to bring things together.
    sounds like a healthy 3 to me. your 3 desire for attention has taken more healthy form in meaningful relationships and your emphasis on self improvement comes across as an attempt to become more "real"

    what makes you angry?
    false accusations, false representation of people, when people try to make others look bad, how humans are using nuclear energy without properly understanding how to contain it or dispose of the waste... i hate when people harm or risk harming the greater good for personal profit. i understand wanting to personally achieve, i totally do, but don't do it at the expense of radiation exposure to families and the ocean, you assholes
    this is just a theory, but I think healthy people tend to see the actions of their unhealthy enneagram counterparts as particularly distasteful. I have the same reaction looking at the behaviors of an unhealthy type 8 (bullying, controlling others, mercilessness)

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    ^ wise man has spoken.

    not many words but great post!

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