Metaphor, do you agree with the level 1 fear of the E8? "Of being harmed or controlled by others" Because with the enneagram, the desires and traits for each level are based on overcoming that level's fear. For example, the enneagram is trying to say that once an E8 overcomes the fear of being harmed or controlled, they learn how to be forgiving.
I don't see any of those things being necessarily Fe... it all depends on how it's being done and the motivation. For example, I never set out to inspire anyone. I'm just doing my own thing and trying to overcome personal issues that hold me back. Blogging about it helps solidify ideas in my mind or release a bit of stress. I never expected to inspire anyone though, so the fact that I did was very surprising to me! For me, it was all very Fi.From the link in the opening post that you so kindly gave to me:
1. Level of Liberation
Heroic - Fe
inspiring - Fe
selfless - Fe
Self-Surrendering - Fe
compassionate - Fe
merciful - Fe
forgiving - Fe
magnanimous - Fe
I've tagged all the traits defined as Level 1 that pertain to Fe. E2s are all about the ones tagged. Hence E2s are Fe-based.
Same with heroism. Some people simply did what they felt was right, based on personal conviction and values, and still were labeled a hero. Fi.
I do my best to forgive because when someone else has the capacity to make me mad, they own me. They own and control my energy, and I don't like giving people that type of power over my mindset. My ability to forgive was developed based on Fi values.
Why create a dichotomy? I don't see why I must prove heroes are altruistic to disprove heroes are narcissistic. Yes, heroes, even martyrs, get a reward for their behaviors. That reward isn't necessarily feeding personal ego, though.Now it's your turn to prove to me that heroes are all about altruism. For that matter, hero or not hero, how many people do you know are altruistic in its purist sense. Even feeling good about doing heroic deeds or being a self-sacrificial martyr has its payback for the individual.
Is a woman who goes into a burning building to save her neighbor's children doing so out of narcissism? Is it possible for that to be considered heroic?
Okay, so your pathway to growth is to learn how to ignore your "raging in your face extrovert" emotions?As far as an 8 moving to 5, instead of moving further towards a Fe based model (2) which leans towards attempting to offset an instinctual personality type like an E8 with an emotional Fe based greater good model, the move towards the 5 would be using the intellect to balance the instinctual. Instead of encouraging the raging in your face extrovert towards more emotionalism, it will counter-balance with logical thought and off-setting caution, particularly an 8w7.
EDIT: It's interesting. Your 7 wing suggests 5 being a path to growth, but as an 8 moving to a 5 is generally done as an avoidance mechanism done under stress. I can see there being something here, but it strikes me as a very tricky way to grow under enneagram theory.