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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo View Post
    I undoubtedly test INTJ, 4 and this is a very well defined description of my personal conduct... Thank you, as it has been very difficult to find any info on this conjointly. For a while I actually proclaimed 4w5, but I actually tested a 4 flat.

    I work 3 jobs, and they greatly differ being Road Work, Stripping, Uhaul dealing, and other various odds and ends. Writing is my passion, and dancing is my art. When I work I almost always have a head phone in, and I quite literally dance through the work day, and somehow still seem to be quite perfectionistic about the quality of my work. I've always been known for my unique sense of fashion, and I was recently described by a peer as aesthete. So from what I can tell you nailed it. Another thing I have noticed to be oddly different from most INTJs I've read about, is that I have an overwhelming need to be outside in fresh air, like its a mental neccesity. Bring in doors for to long gives me a sense of cabin fever, and that is typically when my behavior patterns become less than healthy, and when that happens I usually have to ride my bike, or drive the open rode to clear my head, and is typically done with great intensity.
    Are you referring to the "Stripping" I think you're referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Q: what does an INTJ 4 look like?
    A: a vampire =P
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    4w5 INTJ here to try and help by shedding some light on understanding the relationship with Te and Fi

    Te and Fi, or Te vs. Fi? There is a little trick I found to understanding how the two functions "live together." Te acts like Fi's big brother. Big brother Te can be loving and protective of little brother Fi, or Te can be a bully, and in extreme cases even manipulative to Little brother Fi. Brothers typically bond when they can learn to work together. My country boy roots probably has something to do with me being a 4w5 INTJ... Fishing, Bike riding, hiking, building huts, and also anything really anything representing freedom in nature that is away from society and its noise is a great way for brothers to bond, and grow stronger as a result. If big brother Te acts like little brother Fi is annoying, in the way, or bad for his image thus pushing little brother Fi out of the way and ignoring him... Little Brother Fi is going to feel shamed, and upset. Big Brother Te won't want to deal with this. An adult force A.K.A. maturity has to step in and deal with this conflict, and say Hey! If you two are going to live together... You're going to have to learn to get along. Big brother Te can't lock himself away in his room to avoid the conflict with little brother Fi. They have to go outside and play together... No one else... Just Big brother Te, and Little brother Fi.

    This could look like 5w4, but please note that I wrote based on the fact I was the youngest sibling growing up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    There's a constant bias on typology to systematically type vampires as 4. Because of Draculla, or as a more general rule, because of all the emo shit around the vampire myth.

    Of course, it is a wrong way to type. Edward Cullen, for example, is not a 4w5 Sx/Sp but a 3w2 Sp/Sx.

    And Richard Nixon is not a 4 and not Sexual in any way. He's a 6w5 So/Sp, not a 4w3 Sx/So. This is just stupid.
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    Are you referring to the "Stripping" I think you're referring to?
    More than likely
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    @Gizmo seems more like 1w9 imo, they're big on nature and maturity
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    No. Just no. It actually irritates me when people try to retype people... As if I'm totally incompetent of not knowing who, what, and how, and in many cases why I am. Especially when not enough evidence is supported to have any sort of basis for your theory. I've put a great amount of my life into self awareness, and I've put in significant amount of research into finding and understanding standing these types in such a way, only for people like you to incompetently think they are able to change any aspects of such analysis.
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    It's just the reasons you chose to defend why you're a 4 sound like the reasons someone would be 1w9. I don't know you or your type, i only read that paragraph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    It's just the reasons you chose to defend why you're a 4 sound like the reasons someone would be 1w9. I don't know you or your type, i only read that paragraph.
    The two types are quite different, but can appear similar in attitude, and taste for aesthetics.
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    I actually just got into studying my type as INTJ in conjunction with the enneagram. The amount of people claiming to be 4w5 INTJs is ridiculous. Apparently this is rare, and yet they flood the forums with total horse shit. One key think I pick up is that the majority of these people question whether or not they have mistyped...

    #1 most of them are more than likely INFPs, or INTPs, and maybe even an INFJ on a rare instance.

    #2 they don't typically think to factor in their behaviors and motivations according to their known states of mental health. As a result they later on decide that 1w9, what ever the 8s are, and and very commonly get mixed up with 5w4.

    #3 they simply have way to much questioning doubt as to who or what they are... Type 4's are all about self identity, and truly getting to know themselves more than any other type. This is why the are called the individualist.

    If you're truly an INTJ type 4w5... You will know. We are extremely emotionally developed INTJs. Some 4w5 INTJs will have better control of their emotions than others resulting from subjective experience, level of maturity, and state of health.

    4w5 INTJs will still be just as Cold, analytical, reserved, mysterious, and etc just like any INTJ. A big tell tale sign is that 4w5 INTJs will be more drawn to artistic and creative studies compared to sciences, and things INTJs are typically known for. They will still be into those things, but not into as much depth as other types of INTJs. A 4w5 INTJ is still going to be elusive, and want to avoid the spot light, but due to their emotionally developed side... They will blend in with flare, as they tend to put their own little artistic yet efficient touches to absolutely anything they can get there hands on, because there is a strong desire deep within for self expression... Due to Fi this is going to find very unique out of the box ways to sort of bleed out. In this way Te and Fi will work together and sorta comprise so that neither "overpowers" the other. The last thing is that 4w5s are Intensely Romantic at their core, and this will have been the case every since childhood recall. 4w5s have this unique way of bridging the gap between logic and emotion, which is how they present such a strong intellect for moral Intelligence... Often this is where 4w5 INTJs will hold their identity, as Identity is everything to them... If you're a 4w5 INTJ... You will know... If you're not sure... You're a different type... Capeesh?
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    Don't forget that each type is kind of ironic: their supposed "strength" is their weakness. As a type 9, my strength is that I'm emotionally balanced and peaceful ... my weakness is that, um, no, I'm just good at THINKING that I'm that balanced and at peace. For type 4s, they THINK that they have a really deep self-knowledge, when in reality what they do is keep trying on different "masks" (different identities, different selves) as they try to figure out who they "really" are. In the 9's case, the mature 9s learn real techniques for finding balance and peace, which involve actually dealing with the world in a more direct way, as opposed to psychologically avoiding problems. In the 4's case, the mature 4s learn that none of those masks/identities/selves is their true self, that actually going out and doing things and being present in the world (as opposed to withdrawing and introspecting) is how they learn who they really are.
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    An unhealthy 4 will withdraw and introspect to quite an extreme, as I did through depression, but like you said is a mature 4 is what I call a healthy 4 and they very much want to be out in the world. It seems contradictory that "their supposed strength is their weakness." But that's only in theory, as it can only be assumed that a tertiary function is by default a weakness. However INTJ 4w5s are very much about their "inner world", and find ways to implement in the outside world. Enneagram is more about behaviors and what motivates you, as your MBTI is more about how you're brain cognitively functions and effects your personality.
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