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    The issue of blind spots was brought up in another thread and it has me curious, what do non-sevens see as the weaknesses that sevens often have that they may not be aware of?

    Naturally sevens may reply with first hand experience, of course.



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    Off the top of my head:

    1) Running away from stuff
    2) Evading responsibility
    3) Being scared of comittment
    4) Avoidant behaviour
    5) Not facing up to things
    6) Thinking the grass is always greener
    7) Being irresolute
    8) Fobbing people off
    9) Making excuses for failings
    10) Not following through

    Or are these ten different ways of describing one gigantic type 7 issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    Off the top of my head:

    1) Running away from stuff
    2) Evading responsibility
    3) Being scared of comittment
    4) Avoidant behaviour
    5) Not facing up to things
    6) Thinking the grass is always greener
    7) Being irresolute
    8) Fobbing people off
    9) Making excuses for failings
    10) Not following through

    Or are these ten different ways of describing one gigantic type 7 issue?
    All true, most of that falls under avoidant, impulsive and indulgent habits. I don't expect that they are blind spots to most 7s, it's likely the behaviour that's related to them is though.

    I want to go deeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    All true, most of that falls under avoidant, impulsive and indulgent habits. I don't expect that they are blind spots to most 7s, it's likely the behaviour that's related to them is though.

    I want to go deeper.
    But often the blind spots are self-created, due to the fact that one of the things that is most persistently avoided is facing up to the consequences of previous actions (including those caused by avoidance). I think that going around in circles of self-perpetuating avoidance and self-distraction can help to shut a lot out of awareness - which if it was in awareness would have to be agknowledged, and maybe actually dealt with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    9) Making excuses for failings
    I knew an e7 who was so good at making excuses for things that he could convince most people (at least, those who didn’t know him well- and he’d instinctively avoid bouncing reality off of people who’d give him an answer he wouldn’t like) that his actions were justified- which enabled him to believe it himself. So I guess his blind spot was that his proclivity to manipulate was so out of control that he had absolutely no respect for anyone else’s version of reality if it meant he had to spend a single moment doing something he didn’t want to do: yet he was completely blind to the fact that he was disrespecting anyone. In order to avoid feelings of unpleasantness- he’d just avoid his responsibility to something or someone and come up with a convincing justification. As long as he could get *someone* to believe him, he felt convinced it was true (which is why I say it enabled him).

    edit, also: He always felt 'manipulated' when someone tried pointing out that he was being disrespectful- which, of course, was actually just him projecting his own manipulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    But often the blind spots are self-created, due to the fact that one of the things that is most persistently avoided is facing up to the consequences of previous actions (including those caused by avoidance). I think that going around in circles of self-perpetuating avoidance and self-distraction can help to shut a lot out of awareness - which if it was in awareness would have to be acknowledged, and maybe actually dealt with.
    Indeed, that comes down to awareness about an issue that is specific to the individual though, doesn't it? The avoidance/lack of discipline etc is the common 7 theme, what is being avoided is unique. It would create blind spots in regards to specific knowledge, the cause shouldn't be a blind spot, it just may not be acknowledged.

    My issue here is I'm attempting to ask what my blind spots are, which of course would be things that I'm unaware of, so I can't find an accurate way to ask it, as I'm unaware

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    I knew an e7 who was so good at making excuses for things that he could convince most people (at least, those who didn’t know him well- and he’d instinctively avoid bouncing reality off of people who’d give him an answer he wouldn’t like) that his actions were justified- which enabled him to believe it himself. So I guess his blind spot was that his proclivity to manipulate was so out of control that he had absolutely no respect for anyone else’s version of reality if it meant he had to spend a single moment doing something he didn’t want to do: yet he was completely blind to the fact that he was disrespecting anyone. In order to avoid feelings of unpleasantness- he’d just avoid his responsibility to something or someone and come up with a convincing justification. As long as he could get *someone* to believe him, he felt convinced it was true (which is why I say it enabled him).

    edit, also: He always felt 'manipulated' when someone tried pointing out that he was being disrespectful- which, of course, was actually just him projecting his own manipulation.
    Ah, that kind of take helps. Specific experiences with seeing 7s in action from a point of view that they are unaware. It's the discrepancy between the 7s intention or understanding of their actions vs anothers impression of their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Indeed, that comes down to awareness about an issue that is specific to the individual though, doesn't it? The avoidance/lack of discipline etc is the common 7 theme, what is being avoided is unique. It would create blind spots in regards to specific knowledge, the cause shouldn't be a blind spot, it just may not be acknowledged.

    My issue here is I'm attempting to ask what my blind spots are, which of course would be things that I'm unaware of, so I can't find an accurate way to ask it, as I'm unaware
    Ahh, now if you want to make it personal, perhaps it would help to actually talk about some specific things you've avoided. The act of bringing them into awareness could be therapeutic in itself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    Ahh, now if you want to make it personal, perhaps it would help to actually talk about some specific things you've avoided. The act of bringing them into awareness could be therapeutic in itself!
    You name it, I've avoided it!

    I'm great with facing personal theoretical shortcomings, shocking with facing hard-cold things in reality that have to be done.

    For instance, I'll spend a lifetime attempting to understand every aspect of myself and others so I can improve my core being, but I won't pay my electricity bill on time cause I can't be bothered. Yet at the same time I understand that facing reality is always better than avoiding it and things are rarely as difficult as they seem before you face them... still don't.

    Reality is my nemesis.

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    1.Rationalizing everything to make them look like they did nothing wrong. One of my best friends does this and it makes me want to hit him with a golf club.

    2.Ignoring everyones feelings and emotions in generall. He also does this and in turn he causes people to hate him or think he's a jerk.

    3.Having a tendency to think they're better than everyone else. Most 7's I know really need to learn how to keep their ego in check

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