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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Realizing this is my natural tendency has actually freed me from its constraints.
    What kept you from realizing that this was a natural tendency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    What kept you from realizing that this was a natural tendency?
    When you do something for so long, it becomes natural as breathing. I did not stop to think about the why and how, and consequently the advantages and disadvantages of this Type were hidden. Kind of like being an addict. If you don't realize you are one, you'll never learn to break the cycle. (though that's a pretty negative example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Maybe some 9s that disagree with me could chime in, as none have yet.
    You're forgetting something.

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    How? I was a 9 then, behaved like one, even if I didn't recognize it.
    Damn Guff, lay off the absinthe!

    According to you, for the last 4 years you've behaved like a DICK 5. Your discovery (over the course of the last year) that you are a 9 has been "liberating". How so, if you haven't bothered about people's feelings for the past 4 years?
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    You're forgetting something.

    What?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Damn Guff, lay off the absinthe!

    According to you, for the last 4 years you've behaved like a DICK 5. Your discovery (over the course of the last year) that you are a 9 has been "liberating". How so, if you haven't bothered about people's feelings for the past 4 years?
    Where are you getting this? I'm not behaving like a 5. Nor have I stopped bothering with people's feelings for 4 years.

    What are you drinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    How? I was a 9 then, behaved like one, even if I didn't recognize it.
    Well, it does seem kind of against your argument.

    It seems like you were ardent that you were a 5 for those 4 years? That is why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeru View Post
    Well, it does seem kind of against your argument.

    It seems like you were ardent that you were a 5 for those 4 years? That is why?
    ...what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    When you do something for so long, it becomes natural as breathing.
    Then wouldn't this have become your natural inclination? Thus meaning that you became that and now do not wish to be this way any longer and are finding a different path.

    I'm saying that perhaps what you say you are now isn't who you were, but who you wish to be, and now that you realize this, you say that you were always this. Am I on to something?

    I worded these too poetically, I apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    What?
    Type 9s won't disagree with you. They are 9s godammit! :P
    Where are you getting this? I'm not behaving like a 5. Nor have I stopped bothering with people's feelings for 4 years.
    From here:
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    I don't treat people with kid gloves anymore. Four years ago? For sure.
    Implying that you stopped 4 yrs ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    For the longest time, I thought I was a type 5 (as INTP).

    In the past year, I've come to accept that I am Type 9.
    What are you drinking?
    Lemon and ginger tea.
    It's yummy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    ...what?
    Take my example to yours.

    You've seen yourself as type 5 from the get-go for a long while now.

    When I started the enneagram, I thought 4 sounded like me, but 5 also sounded somewhat like me. Other enneagram types weren't off too (particularly 6.) Back then, I would constantly switch my enneagram type back and forth between 4 and 5. Heck, if Trinity didn't say that I sounded like an ISFP, I wouldn't have had ISFP as my MBTI type but IXFP.

    But ehh, if you think your a 9, by all means, be a 9.

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    Hmm. As a 5w9 I can relate to what Mac has said about learning to stop taking premeditated and studied responsibility for how each person will take what I am about to say. If I am going through a stressful period, I will become overly sensitive, then imagine that everyone else is overly sensitive. Then before I say something, I'll imagine all the different ways anyone could possibly ever construe what I'm saying, to avoid misunderstandings and conflict. (I think this could also be seen as a 5 trait, if you accept that 5s try to understand every possibly outcome before acting, not trusting ourselves much in the social arena). Either way, it's not a very healthy way to behave, and it negates the actor as a full human being. It's placing more importance on the other person ALWAYS, no matter who they are or whether they have acted rightly, etc. It's saying the other person is always right, because we don't want to deal with conflict. So in a way, you do have to let the other person's reaction be their own to deal with.

    This, in my mind, does not equal carte blanche to say or do whatever we want. We still have to act like responsible human beings. We still try to do no harm. But we don't go over everything we say with a fine-toothed comb, with our only goal being to avoid conflict at all costs. We accept that conflict can be normal and even healthy in certain contexts.

    The way I read you, Mac, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is that you have more of a comedian's sensibility as far as what is offensive or non-offensive. You're not trying to aggressively push buttons (unless it's an actual conflict), but rather to explore boundaries and question what's offensive and why we find it so. When you're pushing further, I usually feel like there's humor and curiosity rather than outright aggression behind it. I've personally always believed there's no such thing as offensive or non-offensive, but rather funny or not funny. I kind of feel like you might be the same way.
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