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    Whisky Old & Women Young Speed Gavroche's Avatar
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    Default Sx/So 9, how does it looks like?

    Seems like a very weird combination. I would be curious to know how it looks like.

    I've seen that on the Enneagram Underground:

    Sexual/Social


    This subtype of Nine may appear least like a stereotypical Nine because the outward sexual and social energies obscure some of the withdrawing and "zoning out" tendencies of the Nine. These Nines are the most connected and assertive of the subtypes of Nine, especially when it comes to relationships. There is still some internal struggle, as with the sexual/self-pres, but overall there is less of a tendency to withdraw. With the self-pres instinct last, this subtype can neglect self-preservational needs in favor of the intensity of their sexual instinct's pursuits. Individuals of this subtype could easily be mistaken for the dominant wing, because the sexual energy tends to flow in a manner similar to the energy of the wing. A Nine with a One wing would therefore appear more One-like and a Nine with Eight might be mistaken for an Eight.

    The central conflict for these Nines will still be in the realm of close intimate relationships and these Nines will have many of the same issues and challenges as the sexual/self-pres Nines.
    I've seen on PersonalityCafe that Luke Skywalker (IxFP) is a 9w1 Sx/So. What about 9w8? The sexual 9 is known as the "Union" type, who merge with peoples in intimate relationships and know his partern's need more than his ones. The social 9 is the "Peripheral Participation" type, who alternates between merging with groups and being disengaged. I think a sx/so 9 could be a very outgoing and self-forgetting type of people, possibly concern with justice, in a more ethical and perfectionist way if he is 9w1, in a more strong and "justiciary" way if he is 9w8. Or at the contrary, very calm and disengaged from group yet very intense and assertive. The Sx/So 9 can be very assertive when connecting in 3, especially when he's 9w8. I can see a public philosopher 9w1 Sx/So and a rock star 9w8 sx/so for example.

    I've supected a few peoples to be sx/so 9:

    Linus Van Pelt from The Peanuts (INTP)
    Billy Idol (9w8, ESTP)
    Daniel Jackson from Stargate, the 1994 movie (INTP)
    John Lennon (INTP)
    Mrs Norbury from Mean Girls (9w1, INFJ)

    What's your mind about this? How can be a Sx/So in your opinion? Do you know any? Have you some famous examples? Thank you!
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    I test often as 9w8 sx/so (or 4 or 6). i'm not sure what to think about the 9 descriptions though. especially about merging. that doesn't line up with me. are you saying that 9w8 doesn't "merge" like a 9w1 does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I test often as 9w8 sx/so (or 4 or 6). i'm not sure what to think about the 9 descriptions though. especially about merging. that doesn't sit well with me.
    Well, if you're not merging, you are probably not a 9. Merging seems a central them for 9s... I'm not a specialist though.


    are you saying that 9w8 doesn't "merge" like a 9w1 does?
    I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Well, if you're not merging, you are probably not a 9. Merging seems a central them for 9s... I'm not a specialist though.
    my urge is to not have anything nice to say about it actually...i recoil at the whole idea. i think it's weird for a Fi individualist type like ISFP to correspond with 9. why would any isfp merge with people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    John Lennon (INTP)
    9w8 or 9w1?

    Why d'you say he's sx/so?
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    9w8 or 9w1?

    Why d'you say he's sx/so?
    sx/so people tend to be social movers, and champions of social change. sx/sp tend to focus their libido more into the realm of the self.

    sx/so
    This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this subvariant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying it's purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing other's buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this subvariant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.
    Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.
    Familiar roles: provocateur, activist, exhibitionish
    Examples of sx/so: Madonna, John Lennon, Yukio Mishima, Robin Williams, Drew Barrymore, Richard Simmons, Elvis, Bono, George Michael, Sinead O'Connor, Joan of Arc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    9w8 or 9w1?
    9w1.

    Though he can be a 5w4.

    sx/so people tend to be social movers, and champions of social change
    I'am an Sx/So!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    9w1.

    Though he can be a 5w4.
    I can see the latter more than the former...
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Maybe a 9 sx/so look more like an 8 or 1?

    It sounds easier once we begin reading the descriptions of either 1 or 8 since the description of a 9 sx/so is practically telling us that we act more like our wings than the other variant types.

    Although Ones have a strong sense of purpose, they also typically feel that they have to justify their actions to themselves, and often to others as well. This orientation causes Ones to spend a lot of time thinking about the consequences of their actions, as well as about how to keep from acting contrary to their convictions. Because of this, Ones often persuade themselves that they are “head” types, rationalists who proceed only on logic and objective truth. But, the real picture is somewhat different: Ones are actually activists who are searching for an acceptable rationale for what they feel they must do. They are people of instinct and passion who use convictions and judgments to control and direct themselves and their actions.

    In the effort to stay true to their principles, Ones resist being affected by their instinctual drives, consciously not giving in to them or expressing them too freely. The result is a personality type that has problems with repression, resistance, and aggression. They are usually seen by others as highly self- controlled, even rigid, although this is not how Ones experience themselves. It seems to them that they are sitting on a cauldron of passions and desires, and they had better “keep the lid on” lest they and everyone else around them regret it.

    Ones believe that being strict with themselves (and eventually becoming “perfect”) will justify them in their own eyes and in the eyes of others. But by attempting to create their own brand of perfection, they often create their own personal hell. Instead of agreeing with the statement in Genesis that God saw what He had created, “and it was good,” Ones intensely feel that “It wasn’t—there obviously have been some mistakes here!” This orientation makes it difficult for them to trust their inner guidance—indeed, to trust life—so Ones come to rely heavily on their superego, a learned voice from their childhood, to guide them toward “the greater good” which they so passionately seek. When Ones have gotten completely entranced in their personality, there is little distinction between them and this severe, unforgiving voice. Separating from it and seeing its genuine strengths and limitations is what growth for Ones is about.
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    This might be a longshot, but I think that Wrex from Mass Effect is a 9w8 sx/so.

    YouTube - Wrex in an Elevator - Mass Effect PC
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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