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    Quote Originally Posted by angell_m View Post
    I'll either leave or tell you to leave. And I reveal what I feel. And I sometimes score as 5w6. This whole enneagram is bull anyway, it constantly changes for me. It's all mood related.
    Well, MBTI can be that way also, when it comes to testing & mood. You have to move past the test & look at the underlying theory.

    I test 5 as much as 4, but the more I've learned about the theory, the more makes sense, even if profiles make 4s sound way more dramatic and emotionally expressive than I am. The explanation for me is in my wing & instinctual stacking, which adds to the already withdrawn side of the 4. Not to say I still don't question if I am a 5 from time to time
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    I get INFP nine out of ten times... only the percentages fluctuate.

    But the enneagram I get

    Type 5>9>4>6>1 (5w4, spsx)
    Type 6>9>2>4>7 (6w7, sosx)

    constantly changing once a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angell_m View Post
    This whole enneagram is bull anyway, it constantly changes for me. All about the mood.
    it's not. and it doesnt change. it's more complex than mbti so people are skeptic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloé View Post
    it's not. and it doesnt change. it's more complex than mbti so people are skeptic.
    You know how some people concentrate more on personality profiles on the internet, than Jungian functions?

    I think most people focus too much on enneagram profiles on the internet, than on the essential core things that make a type.

    Profiles on the internet stray too far away from the core things of types, and instead go off on descriptive tangents that don't make significant or insights.

    You know a good enneagram dialogue when it explores probable scenarios from motivations. When you can see or infer the logical connection between the motivation and the scenario. It says something, and it tells you WHY. It says, this is what may happen, and where it comes from. Instead of describing vaguely how something is (which usually isn't quite true) without connecting it to the source.
    You know it's true, because it strikes you somehow, in a way you can't explain, because you can sense how insightful it is.

    I'll give you an example of what I think is insightful;

    YouTube - The Dynamic Enneagram - Tom Condon on Twos, Threes, Fours

    YouTube - The Dynamic Enneagram - Tom Condon on Emotional Trios

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopelandic View Post
    You know how some people concentrate more on personality profiles on the internet, than Jungian functions?

    I think most people focus too much on enneagram profiles on the internet, than on the essential core things that make a type.

    Profiles on the internet stray too far away from the core things of types, and instead go off on descriptive tangents that don't make significant or insights.

    You know a good enneagram dialogue when it explores probable scenarios from motivations. When you can see or infer the logical connection between the motivation and the scenario. It says something, and it tells you WHY. It says, this is what may happen, and where it comes from. Instead of describing vaguely how something is (which usually isn't quite true) without connecting it to the source.
    You know it's true, because it strikes you somehow, in a way you can't explain, because you can sense how insightful it is.

    I'll give you an example of what I think is insightful;

    YouTube - The Dynamic Enneagram - Tom Condon on Twos, Threes, Fours

    YouTube - The Dynamic Enneagram - Tom Condon on Emotional Trios

    Yes. Agree completely. I dont know why online profiles are SOOOOOOOO much different than the one in books. Onlines are only descriptive, rarely talk about motives, core fixations. Of course then you can mistype. Tom Condon is one of rare online ones who is insightful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloé View Post
    it's not. and it doesnt change. it's more complex than mbti so people are skeptic.
    There's no way Enneagram is more complex than MBTI. Each Enneagram type is based on one's core motivation, which means that 1) it can be summed up to one sentence (or even one word), and 2) it can change constantly. People's motivations are the second most malleable portion of their personality, after their outwardly expressed behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    There's no way Enneagram is more complex than MBTI. Each Enneagram type is based on one's core motivation, which means that 1) it can be summed up to one sentence (or even one word), and 2) it can change constantly. People's motivations are the second most malleable portion of their personality, after their outwardly expressed behavior.
    It depends on what basis you define 'complex'.

    Are we looking at the system itself? or the mechanism? if enneagram is based on the unconscious mind, I would argue that unconscious motivations of behaviour are more complex than conscious cognition.

    They are two completely different systems, so it is very hard (and perhaps may not lead us anywhere) to compare them, in terms of what is more complex, deeper etc.

    I agree that core types can be essentially coined in one term, though adding stackings and wings, can leave you with many more distinct types and combinations (and thus, one would have to add more than one term when accurately referencing a whole type category) than one would see with mbti, or Jung.

    On your second point, can you describe the mechanism of motivations being malleable (what, how and why)? and to clarify, do you use the term 'motivations' in the general layman sense, or in the enneagram context?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    There's no way Enneagram is more complex than MBTI. Each Enneagram type is based on one's core motivation, which means that 1) it can be summed up to one sentence (or even one word), and 2) it can change constantly. People's motivations are the second most malleable portion of their personality, after their outwardly expressed behavior.
    I think it's going a bit far to characterise subconscious motives as "the second most malleable portion" of one's personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    I think it's going a bit far to characterise subconscious motives as "the second most malleable portion" of one's personality.
    Yeah, i'd say it's the third, after hair colour and breast size

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloé View Post
    it's not. and it doesnt change. it's more complex than mbti so people are skeptic.
    There's a difference between picking out your own type, and letting a test pick out your type for you. MY test scores ARE inconsistent, and they DO have something to do with mood/environment-- nothing will change that fact.

    Ps. Last night, I got 6w5 from my usual 5w4 and 6w7. Again, the test scores changed.

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