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Thread: Te and eight

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    My dad is absolutely an 8 and many people think ENTJ. He isn't, he's an ESTJ, perhaps ESTP.
    this type of thing is why I like the enneagram better than MBTI...

    there are a lot of misconceptions about ESTPs being dumb jocks pretty much, while they have the capability of being just as good of 8s as Te doms do... maybe some different motivations, but the same sort of consequences
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    Yes, Se vacuums up everything and dumps it into Ni but Te is going to decide how/where it's used. At least that's how I see it.
    This is perhaps most common combination but there are alternative combinations.

    1. Te detect a problem and goes through the situation/data, once findings are gathered those findings go through Ni and they are then thown through Te at the problem.
    2. There is no time: Direct Te/Se control of the situation
    3. Out of random Ni signalizes that there is a problem, Se starts to search and Te/Ni/Se solve it togather once it is found.


    Even if they don't want to be the boss they will be because a) they can't handle it being done by incompetent people and b) for an 8, they'll act if their environment is being invaded.
    Yes. Power just comes out due to circumstances even of a person has no direct wish to be in control. (famous reactivness of 8s)
    In 8w9 this is even more visible if you pay attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    yeah, I have the tendency to ignore protocol and get shit done in most cases... see a problem and solve a problem!

    I am not so "impulsive" regarding this since I usually want a moment to think things through ... in order to reduce chances that I don't know what I am doing and that the whole thing doesn't backfire somehow. (Ni/5 fix)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    I am not so "impulsive" regarding this since I usually want a moment to think things through ... in order to reduce chances that I don't know what I am doing and that the whole thing doesn't backfire somehow. (Ni/5 fix)
    which is a bit different from my impulse to stabilize the situation (prevent it from getting any worse) and then collect the necessary information to fix the situation, which I suppose is a good illustration of Se-Ti in a way

    of course, I tend to work in an environment where things move quickly and can get bad very quickly, so reacting with speed is necessary when something goes wrong... there's no time to think unless you're thinking while fixing and I've gotten a bit decent at that by this point
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    this type of thing is why I like the enneagram better than MBTI...

    there are a lot of misconceptions about ESTPs being dumb jocks pretty much, while they have the capability of being just as good of 8s as Te doms do... maybe some different motivations, but the same sort of consequences
    I totally agree. Ennegram is much better at presenting people for what they really are.


    I have through Enneagram came to realization that I am not what I thought I am. My last typing made perfect sense at face value at the time, however with removal of health problems and a part of really bad social environment my energy level jumped. Also there is a fact that until I was 10 that I have spend 4-12 hours a day with other kids every day, but through the severe political mess, passive family, bad education system and endless economic depression I have become detached/loner. The warning sign was that I don't collapse into 7 when unhealthy (and that I am bad with Fi), instead I was already completely deconstructed into a 5. Therefore when I finally managed to get out of the mess my type simply couldn't be maintained. (especially if you calculate in hours of playing strategic video games every day ... even in the darkest times)


    While in MBTI you simply don't see something so sophisticated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    I totally agree. Ennegram is much better at presenting people for what they really are.


    I have through Enneagram came to realization that I am not what I thought I am. My last typing made perfect sense at face value at the time, however with removal of health problems and a part of really bad social environment my energy level jumped. Also there is a fact that until I was 10 that I have spend 4-12 hours a day with other kids every day, but through the severe political mess, passive family, bad education system and endless economic depression I have become detached/loner. The warning sign was that I don't collapse into 7 when unhealthy (and that I am bad with Fi), instead I was already completely deconstructed into a 5. Therefore when I finally managed to get out of the mess my type simply couldn't be maintained. (especially if you calculate in hours of playing strategic video games every day ... even in the darkest times)


    While in MBTI you simply don't see something so sophisticated.
    I totally agree with that... like 100% agree

    due to other factors, I have a hard time really feeling that any MBTI type fits all that well (the site has other ideas, but they really only see what I give them here and it's the same with every member)... enneagram seems more all encompassing, covering motivations and drives, which change a lot less frequently than behaviors do. I know someone'll point out that you should look at cognitive processes and that they never change, but that doesn't take into account difficult backgrounds or people who do change a lot over time and have experienced a lot of things... some things are really difficult to untangle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I totally agree with that... like 100% agree

    due to other factors, I have a hard time really feeling that any MBTI type fits all that well (the site has other ideas, but they really only see what I give them here and it's the same with every member)... enneagram seems more all encompassing, covering motivations and drives, which change a lot less frequently than behaviors do. I know someone'll point out that you should look at cognitive processes and that they never change, but that doesn't take into account difficult backgrounds or people who do change a lot over time and have experienced a lot of things... some things are really difficult to untangle.

    In my opinion it is not overly likely that a person can be a real 8 unless it has difficult years/decades in their lifepath. The core off 8 energy is coming exactly out of the mess in the outside/real world and thus creates very thick skinned and determined person (even if this may not be visible at first in some cases) . If there are no such bad elements in the story the naturally determined person will probably grow up into a 3 or 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    In my opinion it is not overly likely that a person can be a real 8 unless it has difficult years/decades in their lifepath. The core off 8 energy is coming exactly out of the mess in the outside/real world and thus creates very thick skinned and determined person (even if this may not be visible at first in some cases) . If there are no such bad elements in the story the naturally determined person will probably grow up into a 3 or 1.
    I know in my case I've become considerably more 8 with age... started out identifying as a 7 and things went to shit and they REALLY went to shit in my life... emerged from that and made a much better 8 than 7... the walls came up over that time period and I doubt that some of them will ever come down again.

    Which brings up the questions of Do enneagram types change over lifespans? and Can you effectively type anyone until they've grown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Which brings up the questions of Do enneagram types change over lifespans? and Can you effectively type anyone until they've grown?
    I am inclined to think no. However, I think if someone experiences something very psychologically intense, there are some rare individuals who will change. Considering there is theory that enneagram type is developed in part through childhood experiences, it makes sense it could be influenced later in life with enough pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I know in my case I've become considerably more 8 with age... started out identifying as a 7 and things went to shit and they REALLY went to shit in my life... emerged from that and made a much better 8 than 7... the walls came up over that time period and I doubt that some of them will ever come down again.

    Which brings up the questions of Do enneagram types change over lifespans? and Can you effectively type anyone until they've grown?

    I see it as pretty fluid, real life is real life. You can't explain lifes of billions of people with simple psychology theory in a way that everything works all the time. I had bad luck that my country got invaded in Nazi Germany style when I was 6 and I can tell you that in such moment you can throw fair amount of typology through the window. Since the theory doesn't predict such a large scale shock.


    I started as 5 simply because my parents didn't socialize me at until I was 5 years old (and they gave me science books to study). After that I had a social phase that was 8ish or 7ish in nature. Alot of action, people and time spent togather .... however due to problem in all spheres, self-destructive society and the fact that most of my friends moved away one by one I ended up alone. Creating a 5 like personality that is dependant on gaming to spend his aggresive energy. Plus health problems covered up that tertiary Se (tertiary is what balances you) ... and now I am where I am. Unless there will be new shocks I presume that I will remain relatively similar to what I am now. I through entire life balance 8/5 and Te/Ni and that is probably not going to change, however the environment and cirrcumstances will decide which gives a better results under cirrcumstance.


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