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    According to Ennea, and my own thoughts on the topic, letting go would be "ego transcendence" for us ones. We would acheive the state I talked about in my original post.

    Doing that just seems so...wrong. But there's a lot of things I've already "given up" in reguard to my perfectionism, and they've helped lighten my load a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzcrossed View Post
    According to Ennea, and my own thoughts on the topic, letting go would be "ego transcendence" for us ones. We would acheive the state I talked about in my original post.

    Doing that just seems so...wrong. But there's a lot of things I've already "given up" in reguard to my perfectionism, and they've helped lighten my load a great deal.
    The only person who can convince a 1 out of their ideals is him/her-self (and Se-doms, in my case). You're already doing a great job by discovering ways you could lighten the load. It's not easy letting go, but there's nothing to be gained in yielding to the face of difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    Unlike limbs, old values can be replaced with better ones.
    I like how you made that comment, and sipped your coffee, despite your Borg queen avatar.

    The only person who can convince a 1 out of their ideals is him/her-self (and Se-doms, in my case). You're already doing a great job by discovering ways you could lighten the load. It's not easy letting go, but there's nothing to be gained in yielding to the face of difficulty.
    I...I know. I'm realizing everything now. But from whence do I call up self worth, if I hath not an ego to stand on? What are the differences between the two?

    And thanks for this......I need it. Long week already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I never really liked the Riso & Hudson approach to health, because I noticed all of the types in their healthiest state were indistinguishable.
    Do you have a differing opinion from Lethe?
    Love is the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzcrossed View Post
    Do you have a differing opinion from Lethe?
    I don't know if I disagree with Lethe. I know that I disagree with Riso and Hudson. It seems I am more interested in the concept of self-actualization while they are more interested in transcendence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I don't know if I disagree with Lethe. I know that I disagree with Riso and Hudson. It seems I am more interested in the concept of self-actualization while they are more interested in transcendence.
    I think the theory presupposes people will be going overdrive on the negative aspects (fear of imperfection for ones). The utility in the theory lies in the fact that it can be used as a tool to minimize discomfort. That's why they're focused on down-playing the more extreme values.

    I also do not believe that perfectionism is wrong and we need to get rid of it. You just need to make sure it doesn't give you a level of stress you cannot cope with.


    (Though being Ti-doms I don't think we need to worry about that. )
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