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    When I started reading about Eights, my first reaction was relief. I finally knew why I had "rage issues", control/power issues (especially with those "above" me) and why people responded to me the way they did (fear, thinking I'm in charge when I'm often not, or that I'm strong and can handle anything, so they don't understand when I'm not). It's true, one doesn't always like reading that one has the potential to be a sociopath, and I was just reading a list of "Famous Eights" today and finding myself lumped in with the likes of Castro, Hussien, and Stalin, to name a few, and thinking I'm not like that!

    It's true that admitting to the weaknesses of the Eight "position" does seem to create a vulnerability contrary to an Eight's predisposition. However, there are a few things I've learned in regards in my search for coming into my 'higher' self. One is that having secrets or hiding vulnerabilities (even, and especially, from one's self) is in itself a weakness. Another is the reality that despite my desire to be strong, the reality is that I do have vulnerabilities, even if it appears that I don't in comparison to others. Another is that by exposing my "weaknesses" or that which I'm ashamed of, I can cause the shame to evaporate - by facing the truth of myself, and befriending it, I take away the power it has to control me, and empowers me to make choices instead of acting impulsively from a place of repression.

    Several years ago, I watched the movie "Monster" which was about Aileen Wournos, a female serial killer. I found that labels like "monster" create a false separation in one's mind - a Me vs. Not Me, and this is not helpful. Empathy for her, rather than condemnation, seems to be in order, because the reality is that she was imprisoned by her own suffering, which caused her to act out from her place of disempowerment. If we cannot find a place in ourselves with which to be empathetic for others who have done horrible things, then we cannot find a place in ourselves to forgive those acts which are damaging to others, or ourselves. This is, to me, the ultimate weakness. So, my willingness and ability to see those "darker" parts of myself, really comes from a place of the Eight: to find a way to be strong and gain/maintain control and power. Which means, in some ways, that I have not fully transcended my Eightness.

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    I should also point out that I've been working with therapists and counselors so long that discomfort and exposure are things that I'm comfortable with, even seek out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemistry View Post
    When I started reading about Eights, my first reaction was relief. I finally knew why I had "rage issues", control/power issues (especially with those "above" me) and why people responded to me the way they did (fear, thinking I'm in charge when I'm often not, or that I'm strong and can handle anything, so they don't understand when I'm not). It's true, one doesn't always like reading that one has the potential to be a sociopath, and I was just reading a list of "Famous Eights" today and finding myself lumped in with the likes of Castro, Hussien, and Stalin, to name a few, and thinking I'm not like that!

    It's true that admitting to the weaknesses of the Eight "position" does seem to create a vulnerability contrary to an Eight's predisposition. However, there are a few things I've learned in regards in my search for coming into my 'higher' self. One is that having secrets or hiding vulnerabilities (even, and especially, from one's self) is in itself a weakness. Another is the reality that despite my desire to be strong, the reality is that I do have vulnerabilities, even if it appears that I don't in comparison to others. Another is that by exposing my "weaknesses" or that which I'm ashamed of, I can cause the shame to evaporate - by facing the truth of myself, and befriending it, I take away the power it has to control me, and empowers me to make choices instead of acting impulsively from a place of repression.

    Several years ago, I watched the movie "Monster" which was about Aileen Wournos, a female serial killer. I found that labels like "monster" create a false separation in one's mind - a Me vs. Not Me, and this is not helpful.
    It's called "otherizing."

    Quote Originally Posted by Artemistry View Post
    Empathy for her, rather than condemnation, seems to be in order, because the reality is that she was imprisoned by her own suffering, which caused her to act out from her place of disempowerment. If we cannot find a place in ourselves with which to be empathetic for others who have done horrible things, then we cannot find a place in ourselves to forgive those acts which are damaging to others, or ourselves. This is, to me, the ultimate weakness. So, my willingness and ability to see those "darker" parts of myself, really comes from a place of the Eight: to find a way to be strong and gain/maintain control and power. Which means, in some ways, that I have not fully transcended my Eightness.
    Good luck with that!
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    I'm an INFP 8w7. I found this forum thread via google--I was starting to believe I was the only one.

    We're out here. We're apparently rare, I think we might be really f'ed up, but we're out here.

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    My initial reaction is that they'd be a mistyped ENFP 8, or an INFP 2 that's disintegrated.

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    I am an INFP - type 8, both match up and both describe me pretty well, oh and I am also Taurus I believe I am a pure INFP but world shaped as a type 8, you see, life isn't always rainbows and sugar puffs. I myself don't understand this! and as an INFP it adds to the ¨"No body understands me" concept of mind I usually have. However, over the years I´ve realized that to the world I´m a type 8, but inside and to the people I truly care about and care about me I´m an INFP. I usually put a wall in front of me and it reads Type 8, to protect myself from getting hurt, but when that wall goes down you can see the INFP in me. I could get into it more, well this extremely interesting and I love writing, but I guess I answered your question. It´s difficult, I mean if I don't understand it myself, I can´t ask others to do so. I do wish I was different and not such a contradictory human being , but well life happens, you know?

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    @ItsPrincess...

    I know a lot of INFP 1's, not a lot of INFP 8's. I wanna see examples of an INFP 8 celebrity or something. Do you have any celebrities you know of that you share likeness with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsPrincess View Post
    I am an INFP - type 8, both match up and both describe me pretty well, oh and I am also Taurus I believe I am a pure INFP but world shaped as a type 8, you see, life isn't always rainbows and sugar puffs. I myself don't understand this! and as an INFP it adds to the ¨"No body understands me" concept of mind I usually have. However, over the years I´ve realized that to the world I´m a type 8, but inside and to the people I truly care about and care about me I´m an INFP. I usually put a wall in front of me and it reads Type 8, to protect myself from getting hurt, but when that wall goes down you can see the INFP in me. I could get into it more, well this extremely interesting and I love writing, but I guess I answered your question. It´s difficult, I mean if I don't understand it myself, I can´t ask others to do so. I do wish I was different and not such a contradictory human being , but well life happens, you know?
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    I don't buy it and wouldn't until I met and talked to one such individual at length. I concur with the health based theories about said person being either:
    - Enneagram 5 integrated to great health.
    - Enneagram 2 disintegrated to great unhealth.
    Also with the possibilities of:
    - A counter-phobic 6 mistyping as 8

    That said, I am INFx, 8 is my second highest Enneagram score and is very much a visible part of my personality. I could believe these "INFP 8's" might really just be 8-fixed.
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    I'm a type 8 INFP!!! We do exis.

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