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    My type: 4w5.

    I am mostly a solitary, recluse. I vibe very different to people I typed as 4w3. The 4w3 comes off as energetically similar to the 6w7, almost like an extrovert.

    4w5 is more like, a hermit that only occasionally shows themselves. I think that the 4w5 tends to only have a few close friends, and will be hesitant to form more superficial or fleeting bonds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARET45 View Post
    My type: 4w5.

    I am mostly a solitary, recluse. I vibe very different to people I typed as 4w3. The 4w3 comes off as energetically similar to the 6w7, almost like an extrovert.

    4w5 is more like, a hermit that only occasionally shows themselves. I think that the 4w5 tends to only have a few close friends, and will be hesitant to form more superficial or fleeting bonds.
    Interesting..
    I'm an absolute loner and have an extremely small circle of friends... and even them I keep a distance in pursuit of intellectual stimulation and to focus on my artwork or be close to nature. I prefer solitude and push a lot of people away. This is one of the reasons I thought I was a 4w5.

    However, I can also be very social, charming, and quirky/silly. I critique social norms and rules but I'm always aware of them (although I'm a hyperaware person in general) and how I "fit in" or usually in my case, how I don't. I also love dressing a certain way (ex. Dark clothing, boots, etc) to show my "authentic" self through style. All of this led me to believe I'm more of a 4w3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by florpoetis View Post
    Interesting..
    I'm an absolute loner and have an extremely small circle of friends... and even them I keep a distance in pursuit of intellectual stimulation and to focus on my artwork or be close to nature. I prefer solitude and push a lot of people away. This is one of the reasons I thought I was a 4w5.

    However, I can also be very social, charming, and quirky/silly. I critique social norms and rules but I'm always aware of them (although I'm a hyperaware person in general) and how I "fit in" or usually in my case, how I don't. I also love dressing a certain way (ex. Dark clothing, boots, etc) to show my "authentic" self through style. All of this led me to believe I'm more of a 4w3.
    I am also most probably a 4w3 as well. I, like you, have few close friends that I don't see very often and seclude myself to work on my artwork too. Funny how similar we are. Despite the fact that I am EXTREMELY introverted, much more so than maybe many 4w5s, I strive for ambition and success. I fantasize about being a famous artist one day, and put my all into my work. I also love dressing up in order to reflect my inner personality. I would always test as 4w5 on enneagram tests, but after really looking into the wings, I think i'm much more of a 4w3. I do have 4w5 tendencies, as my 5 scoring is very high. But the idea of me being successful at what I love represents the very essence of my life's purpose.

    I used to stray away from the thought of me possibly being a 3 wing because of the usual descriptions of 4w3s being more extroverted and dramatic than the more withdrawn 4w5s. However, deep down I do care what others think of me and I tend to compare myself a little too much to others. I really dream of accomplishing things, but the 4 part of me doesn't want to "sell out" and commercialize myself. I want to be original and authentic as much as possible, while showcasing my talent at the same time.

    There are times when I do ponder at the thought of possibly being a 5 wing, simply because in reality i absolutely HATE being the center of attention. Although, I do fantasize about gaining attention and recognition in my daydreams, but the very minute it happens in real life, I tend to back away as much as I possibly can. I think when I do showcase my work to other people, I'm exposing a part of my inner self where I feel like I am naked and vulnerable. It's like I can't handle showing that part of me to the public, but I have those dang fantasies where I want my work to be seen. It's very contradicting, so that's why I think possibly I could be a 5 wing? Or simply I am just over thinking things as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargaze View Post
    I am also most probably a 4w3 as well. I, like you, have few close friends that I don't see very often and seclude myself to work on my artwork too. Funny how similar we are. Despite the fact that I am EXTREMELY introverted, much more so than maybe many 4w5s, I strive for ambition and success. I fantasize about being a famous artist one day, and put my all into my work. I also love dressing up in order to reflect my inner personality. I would always test as 4w5 on enneagram tests, but after really looking into the wings, I think i'm much more of a 4w3. I do have 4w5 tendencies, as my 5 scoring is very high. But the idea of me being successful at what I love represents the very essence of my life's purpose.

    I used to stray away from the thought of me possibly being a 3 wing because of the usual descriptions of 4w3s being more extroverted and dramatic than the more withdrawn 4w5s. However, deep down I do care what others think of me and I tend to compare myself a little too much to others. I really dream of accomplishing things, but the 4 part of me doesn't want to "sell out" and commercialize myself. I want to be original and authentic as much as possible, while showcasing my talent at the same time.

    There are times when I do ponder at the thought of possibly being a 5 wing, simply because in reality i absolutely HATE being the center of attention. Although, I do fantasize about gaining attention and recognition in my daydreams, but the very minute it happens in real life, I tend to back away as much as I possibly can. I think when I do showcase my work to other people, I'm exposing a part of my inner self where I feel like I am naked and vulnerable. It's like I can't handle showing that part of me to the public, but I have those dang fantasies where I want my work to be seen. It's very contradicting, so that's why I think possibly I could be a 5 wing? Or simply I am just over thinking things as usual.
    Wow, I relate to EVERYTHING you said... especially the last part about wanting recognition but the moment it happens you tend to back away, feeling vulnerable. It's crazy. I think our motivation and drive to fulfill our goals and be successful definitely makes us 4w3s.
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    This is interesting. I consider myself to be an introvert, I take far more information from withdrawing into my own self than from my environment, but I really need people in order to feel healthy and complete. I feel there's no meaning into doing anything if you don't share the experience with someone else.

    I am shy and I can be quiet, I am contemplative and can spend hours in my mind, just thinking about life, the future, the past, myself, everything...
    But as much as I need to withdrawn, think and be just by myself, I need to be with others.

    I wouldn't say I have tons of friends, but I have friends and more than just a few and I generally need to meet with someone everyday or every second day in order to not feel lonely. Usually when I spend more than just one day by myself I feel like climbing the walls.
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    Im my personal experience I would say the difference between 4w3 and 4w5 are many. 4w3s to me are more flamboyant and outgoing than 4w5s which tend to be more subdued and introverted. 4w3s are more artistic (Drama and fashion are very 4w3 fields) while 4w5s are more academic (Philosophy and literature are very 4w5 fields) but both are artists and intellectual types though in different ways. 4w3s are also in general more "upbeat" than 4w5s who tend to be more "morbid". Think Bowie (4w3) vs Burton (4w5. The images below i would say sum up the overall vibe of 4w3 and 4w5.

    4w3 images
    Fashion.jpg
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    Dark comedy.jpg
    Emo.jpg
    Gothic derpession.jpg
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    To me, 4w3 is more of the stereotypical hipster. 4w5 is more like that dark philosophical artist (i.e. Marilyn Manson).
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    To me, 4w3 is more of the stereotypical hipster. 4w5 is more like that dark philosophical artist (i.e. Marilyn Manson).
    That is dead on the differences i was describing above. Both want to be unique (Most hipsters are not 4 IMO as a lot of them are following the trends to be part of hipsterdom so to speak which is more 6 not to have a unique identity like a 4 would.). Would you say that David Bowie is the archetypal 4w3 and Manson the typical 4w5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brain in a Jar View Post
    That is dead on the differences i was describing above. Both want to be unique (Most hipsters are not 4 IMO as a lot of them are following the trends to be part of hipsterdom so to speak which is more 6 not to have a unique identity like a 4 would.). Would you say that David Bowie is the archetypal 4w3 and Manson the typical 4w5?
    Bowie is a hard one. He's a 3 and 4, but in what order? Many say 3w4, others say 4w3. He strikes me as more core 3 though as it was more about the flare than the "identity". Marilyn Manson? yeah, he's a 4w5 posterchild without doubt.
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