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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    Interactions between Russell Brand (4w3) and Morrissey (4w5) are quite lovely means of comparing the two varieties I think.

    2008 interview
    i'm a fan of the smiths and have seen a couple interviews done by russell brand. never thought of them before as these types, but i feel it now.
    "Develop interest in life as you see it...the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself." -- H. Miller
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    Nohari.. the bad, and the ugly

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    Quote Originally Posted by demimondaine View Post
    i can as well. however, it's not necessarily often that i'll actually adopt a person's opinion, just second-guess my own.
    Yes, that was actually what I meant. I maintain my opinion (unless I've realized logically that my opinion is incorrect) but second-guess it.

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    ^ eee, apologies!
    "Develop interest in life as you see it...the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself." -- H. Miller
    -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    Johari the good..
    Nohari.. the bad, and the ugly

    I'm a FiNe SiTe to see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post

    Anyway, I despise 4w3 descriptions, especially in relation to 4w5. 4w3 is made out to be drama queen-ish, insincerely charming, and not thoughtful. Some descriptions even make it seem like 4w3's are mildly schizophrenic. I don't see myself as that at all. Even in BlackCat's description, 4w5s are intellectual and introspective... as compared to 4w3 which is not? Hmmm...
    I feel the same way about 4w3 descriptions. My dislike of them was one of the reasons I mistyped as the other wing for a number of years. It seems like the 4w5 descriptions are more favorable and the 4w3s are portrayed as shallow.
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    4w3 emphasize on certain traits of INFPs that makes me grimace when I read them. But 4w5 makes us sound like really gloomy intellectuals who have zero social skills.

    I care about intellect and competence, but I also like praise from other people. Like someone said earlier, I love it when people tell me I am really good at something. I am not as righteous as I like to appear sometimes. But I also care about looking good and wearing nice clothes. I spend an hour with my hair and makeup almost every morning. So I am not the deep introspective person who like crawls out of my cave... But I am also not outgoing, at all, and I do not like putting on shows or being someone else. I am deeply private and reserved and I am very biting. But I am also aware of people and their needs and can be soft toward others when they are in an overly emotional mood.

    I still really identify with what I read over at socionics that an INFP is a combination of a playful ISFP and a critical INTP. 3 leans toward ISFP and 5 leans toward INTP. What if you don't...lean...all the way? The more I read about this, the more confused I get.

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    Just my perspective:

    Personally, I used to debate intensely whether I am 4w3 or 4w5. My thoughts were something like:

    On one hand, 3w4 is my idealized image. Am I attracted to that because of my Three-wing?
    I don't really want to be a 4w5, so that must mean 4w3 since I am running from self-acceptance.
    Yet, I can admit that to myself, so must have a Five-wing.
    But, isn't this pattern of rejecting the self in order for a more favorable one an essential aspect of all Fours, not just those 4w3s?

    Et cetera.

    Now, I've almost just stopped caring. What does wing theory really even show us?
    Arbitrary qualities such as "more outgoing" or "more introspective" in a type that is characteristically capricious and moody?
    Perhaps, it's simply more important to identify and manage the core passion and promote consistent values in order to lead to integration.
    From my experience, it wasn't particularly useful for personal growth.

    The instinctual variants, however, have recently been helpful. Unlike the wings, they seem to provide a better understanding of how one interprets information, instead of just talking about surface behavior.

    Any similar experiences?

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    Meow! 4w3.
    I was in drama class in high school, but I'm not a "drama queen," you know what I mean? I don't like to be all bitchy and start drama just to watch everybody burn. Those kinds of people you usually only see in movies. I hate people like that.

    I agree with ayoitsStepho...

    Quote Originally Posted by ayoitsStepho View Post
    ...we can put on masks to fit in. If anything, we're probably really good at it. Which is suckish for me in identifying myself. If you've spent your whole life being different people so you can fit into different situations, you don't know WHO you are. Thats how it is for me.
    And its not because we want to screw people over and be fake. Its because we need the closeness to people and if they see we're actually not like them, we feel we could be dismissed and maybe even scoffed at. I've never felt like I relate to people and at my inner core, that is what I deeply desire.
    Its weird too because I feel like I need others to tell me who I am because I dont know...and yet I'm putting on different personalities so they really dont see me.
    And yet, I fear that if I do share my soul and heart with someone....they wont want me. I suppose that is why I tend to put a smile on and just go with it, but alone I'm one of the saddest people.
    ...wholeheartedly.

    And it's not like I put on amazing, super flamboyant masks to be viewed as a goddess or anything. I just want to be seen as normal, NOT A FREAK, even though inside totally I am. There's the dichotomy, paradox, whatever again.

    I see the good parts in other people, admirable parts, and try to assimilate those qualities. I see the best in others and compare it to the worst in myself. Makes for an unfair comparison, I know. I'm trying to be more positive about it, not let it get me down too much. It's just part of my quest to get all the yuckiness out of me.

    Other than that, the thing that Blackcat posted is spot on.

    I've noticed I personalize everything for my friends, the people around me, whoever. By that I don't mean making personalized gift items (although that is fun.) I mean personalizing myself, in the things I say, the way I treat people, even down to my tone of voice and body language, tailored to what I think these people want from me. I feel like such a puppet sometimes, and I bring it on myself. :crazy:
    Just because I'm an INFP doesn't mean I'm emo!

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    I thought I was a 1w2, given the fact I'm a perfectionist and rooted in morality and caring about others, but at the same time, I feel a connection to the 4w5 personality. I really am sensitive, despite I don't like to show it (don't want to seem vulnerable). At the same time, I'm intellectual. One of my teachers has said that I am my own person, consistent with the Individualist label type 4s get. Essentially, I consider myself to be a Romantic Intellectual.
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    I have doubts wheter im a 4w3 or 4w5 but i think, by reading this thread that maybe, or probably, i am a 4w3 who wants to be noticed and one way of achieving that is -paradoxically - using my intellectual resources, so i appear to be 5ish but its all a scam. hahah

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    I'm on the fence myself I have characteristics of both

    4w3
    flashy
    into sophistication and class
    diva-ish
    like to shock people (but don't care about their approval)

    4w5
    take it or leave it
    rational
    introspective
    not trying to impress people
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