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    Default Leadership, and the 8w9

    After having taken the test, I found out I'm an 8w9.

    The challenger and the peacemaker (all rolled into one).

    This explains why it feels like I'm being pulled in two opposite directions at once sometimes.

    This explains my regard for telling the truth when no one else will.

    This explains so many things. But, what it explains most is my desire for leadership.

    There seems to be some consensus that Martin Luther King Jr. was an 8w9.

    [YOUTUBE="o0FiCxZKuv8"]MLK's last speech before he was assassinated[/YOUTUBE]

    EDIT: He knew he was going to die at the time this speech was filmed. He faced that death in furtherance of his ideals, with a smile on his face and no hostility in his heart. This is simultaneously the bravest and most noble act man is capable of.

    And after having seen this video, I would have to agree that I'm one too.

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    8s with 9 wings are an interesting subtype. The 9 wing considerably softens the traits of the 8, making the 8w9 much harder to recognize and understand than a pure 8. Don Riso notes that the 8w9 often holds their power "in reserve". 8w9s are often underestimated, because they can look like mild-mannered 9s one day, only to unleash their aggressive 8 side the next.
    This explains a lot.

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    8w9's are more likely to let anger build up within themselves, which may manifest in constant bitterness and harshness. Like 8w7's, they view conflict as a way of life, but do not enjoy it as much, since when they are in rebellion against the outside world, they are also in rebellion against a part of themselves that would rather do without the hassle and zone out. They are slow to conflict - they would often rather stand "en garde" and wait for their adversary to "cross the line" - but when they involve themselves in conflict, their hostility has a relentless, sado-masochistic quality to it. They willfully numb their tender feelings, and show a tough face to the world. 8w9's are conspicuously sensitive to the issue of personal boundaries - both their own and everyone else's. "Stay out of my business, and I'll stay out of yours," they will often say in a measured tone that conveys great respect for the other while making it subtly clear that they will not be crossed. When they lighten up, they can be intensely devoted to the protection of others, especially defenseless people whom they have affection for. However, trust does not come easily to them. "Every person's survival is his own business."
    As does this.

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    Healthy Eights with a 9 wing often have an aura of preternatural calm, like they haven't had a self-doubt in decades. Take their authority for granted - queen or king of all they survey. May be gentle, kind-hearted, quieter. Often nurturing, protective parents; steady, supportive friends. Informal and unpretentious, patient, laconic, generally somewhat introverted. Sometimes a dry or ironic sense of humor. May have an aura of implicit, simmering anger rather like a sleeping volcano. Slow to erupt but when they do it's sudden and explosive. When entranced, the 9 wing brings an Eight a kind of callous numbness. They can be oblivious to the force of their anger until after they've hurt someone. Calmly dominating, colder; may have an indifference to softer emotions. If very unhealthy, they can be mean without remorse or aggressive in the service of stupid ends. Paranoid plotting, muddled thinking, moral laziness. Can be vengeful in ill-conceived ways, abuse those they love, don't know when to quit.
    And this.

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    But none of this matters if the 8 is unhealthy.

    Level 1 (Most Healthy - The Level of Liberation): Become self-restrained and magnanimous, merciful and forbearing, mastering self through their self-surrender to a higher authority. Courageous, willing to put self in serious jeopardy to achieve their vision and have a lasting influence. May achieve true heroism and historical greatness.

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    8w9s are great. As 9w8 I also feel like I have two forces pulling on me at once in my mind.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    The weird thing about being one of the leader types, is that people look at leaders as either the messiah or satan.

    People seem to have a hard time seeing us as just people.

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    Would someone please comment on this.

    This is a part of myself, over which, I can generally get no advice.

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    If you're stressed then try meditation. It's no joke. It works. Exercise also helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    The weird thing about being one of the leader types, is that people look at leaders as either the messiah or satan.

    People seem to have a hard time seeing us as just people.
    This means you need to work to show vulnerability. When you're a "leader" you are often trying to work hard to be and appear strong. This can distance you from other people. To bring them back in, to get them to see you as a person, you need to show some of the flip side that is hidden: vulnerability.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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